Minnesota Age Limit for Handgun-Carry Permit is Unconstitutional, Appeals Court Rules

[Bum]

A federal appeals court struck down a Minnesota law on Tuesday that prohibited 18- to 20-year-olds from obtaining a permit to carry a handgun in public for self-defense.
The Eighth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in St. Louis, Mo., delivered a victory to the six plaintiffs — three gun-advocacy groups and three adults between the ages of 18 and 20 — all of whom sued the Minnesota public-safety commissioner in 2021. The court found that the age restriction violated the individuals’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as American citizens, opening the door for 18-to 20-year-olds to obtain a permit-to-carry license for handguns in Minnesota.

MSN

Good. It was just a matter of time.

 

[Pyrite]

A federal appeals court struck down a Minnesota law on Tuesday that prohibited 18- to 20-year-olds from obtaining a permit to carry a handgun in public for self-defense.
The Eighth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in St. Louis, Mo., delivered a victory to the six plaintiffs — three gun-advocacy groups and three adults between the ages of 18 and 20 — all of whom sued the Minnesota public-safety commissioner in 2021. The court found that the age restriction violated the individuals’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as American citizens, opening the door for 18-to 20-year-olds to obtain a permit-to-carry license for handguns in Minnesota.

MSN

Good. It was just a matter of time.

Good news indeed.

18-20 year-old adults are mature and self-disciplined enough to handle carrying handguns in public.

Besides, we can always use more "good guys with guns" to protect the rest of us.

 

[SkyChief]

Another small victory for Gun Rights.

It will take a long time to restore gun rights to where they were in the 1980s before the onslaught of 2A infringements, but we are getting there, thank goodness (and the Courts).

 

[JMB1911A1]

Good news indeed.

18-20 year-old adults are mature and self-disciplined enough to handle carrying handguns in public.

Besides, we can always use more "good guys with guns" to protect the rest of us.

I sense some sarcasm there.

This was a good decision. Either 18 is the age of adulthood or it isn't. 18 year olds can vote, join the military, enter contracts, get married, etc. This is no different.

 

[Pyrite]

I sense some sarcasm there.

This was a good decision. Either 18 is the age of adulthood or it isn't. 18 year olds can vote, join the military, enter contracts, get married, etc. This is no different.

Sense whatever you want, whatever makes you happy.

 

[Bum]

I sense some sarcasm there.

This was a good decision. Either 18 is the age of adulthood or it isn't. 18 year olds can vote, join the military, enter contracts, get married, etc. This is no different.

I agree; second class citizenship has no place in our nation.

 

[Glitch]

A federal appeals court struck down a Minnesota law on Tuesday that prohibited 18- to 20-year-olds from obtaining a permit to carry a handgun in public for self-defense.
The Eighth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in St. Louis, Mo., delivered a victory to the six plaintiffs — three gun-advocacy groups and three adults between the ages of 18 and 20 — all of whom sued the Minnesota public-safety commissioner in 2021. The court found that the age restriction violated the individuals’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as American citizens, opening the door for 18-to 20-year-olds to obtain a permit-to-carry license for handguns in Minnesota.

MSN

Good. It was just a matter of time.

I'm not the least bit surprised by the ruling. This is not the first Circuit Court to slap down leftist filth for violating people's inherent rights.

Eventually they are going to learn the meaning of "inherent." There can be no age limit. You are born with that right, and you will die with that right. As a minor your parents/guardians determine how you exercise that inherent right, and the courts could suppress that inherent right through due process of law, but nobody can take away an inherent right, or restrict it based on age.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Good news indeed.

18-20 year-old adults are mature and self-disciplined enough to handle carrying handguns in public.

Besides, we can always use more "good guys with guns" to protect the rest of us.

18-20 year old adults aren't mature and self-disciplined enough to drive safely. Should we stop them from doing that?

 

[Glitch]

Another small victory for Gun Rights.

It will take a long time to restore gun rights to where they were in the 1980s before the onslaught of 2A infringements, but we are getting there, thank goodness (and the Courts).

The onslaught of Second Amendment infringements began with the unconstitutional National Firearms Act of 1934. Followed by the unconstitutional Federal Firearms Act of 1938. The unconstitutional Gun Control Act of 1968, and of course the unconstitutional Gun Owner's Protection Act of 1986.

Believe it or not, it was the NRA who wrote those unconstitutional laws. The NRA was very anti-Second Amendment until Joe Foss was elected President of the NRA in 1988. The NRA was so anti-Second Amendment they are responsible for the creation of Gun Owners of America during the 1970s who rose up against the NRA.

The Supreme Court needs to abolish the root of the problem - the National Firearms Act of 1934. Once that unconstitutional law is abolished the Firearms division of the Bureau of Alcohol and Tobacco gets eliminated, along with all the unconstitutional FFLs. This will have a cascading effect, eliminating all the other unconstitutional laws which are based on the illegal NFA.

 

[Hamish Howl]

This will work out nicely for everyone.

 

[Rich2018]

A federal appeals court struck down a Minnesota law on Tuesday that prohibited 18- to 20-year-olds from obtaining a permit to carry a handgun in public for self-defense.
The Eighth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, based in St. Louis, Mo., delivered a victory to the six plaintiffs — three gun-advocacy groups and three adults between the ages of 18 and 20 — all of whom sued the Minnesota public-safety commissioner in 2021. The court found that the age restriction violated the individuals’ Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as American citizens, opening the door for 18-to 20-year-olds to obtain a permit-to-carry license for handguns in Minnesota.

MSN

Good. It was just a matter of time.

Yeah, let 18 year old carry a gun as they're mature enough to do so
But no way mature to drink a beer in a public bar

You have to discriminate somewhere

 

[JMB1911A1]

Yeah, let 18 year old carry a gun as they're mature enough to do so
But no way mature to drink a beer in a public bar

You have to discriminate somewhere

Well, liberals think 12 year olds are mature enough to make the decision to have irreversible gender surgery.

 

[OlNate]

I sense some sarcasm there.

This was a good decision. Either 18 is the age of adulthood or it isn't. 18 year olds can vote, join the military, enter contracts, get married, etc. This is no different.

But they still can't have a beer... weird.

 

[OlNate]

Yeah, let 18 year old carry a gun as they're mature enough to do so
But no way mature to drink a beer in a public bar

You have to discriminate somewhere

Ah, poop, you beat me... hehe

 

[JMB1911A1]

But they still can't have a beer... weird.

Actually, in most states, 18 year olds can drink, especially in a family setting. What they cannot do is purchase alcohol. Big difference.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Yeah, let 18 year old carry a gun as they're mature enough to do so
But no way mature to drink a beer in a public bar

You have to discriminate somewhere

Except in the UK, right? So, maybe we should adopt UK drinking laws as well.

 

[OlNate]

Actually, in most states, 18 year olds can drink, especially in a family setting. What they cannot do is purchase alcohol. Big difference.

Really! I did not know that. All I ever heard was complaints from American friends that as a Canadian I was able to drink 2 years earlier than them... 3, if I was in Quebec.

 

[JMB1911A1]

Really! I did not know that. All I ever heard was complaints from American friends that as a Canadian I was able to drink 2 years earlier than them... 3, if I was in Quebec.

List of alcohol laws of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Since the Act does not restrict the minimum drinking age or the minimum age to possess alcohol in private, most states continue to allow those under 21 to drink in certain circumstances. Examples are some states like Tennessee and Washington, which allow those under 21 to drink for religious purposes. States including Oregon and New York allow those under 21 to drink on private non-alcohol selling premises. Some states like Ohio allow under 21 to drink in private and public including bars and restaurants if accompanied by parents, guardians, or spouse that is 21 or older.[3]

 

[OlNate]

List of alcohol laws of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Since the Act does not restrict the minimum drinking age or the minimum age to possess alcohol in private, most states continue to allow those under 21 to drink in certain circumstances. Examples are some states like Tennessee and Washington, which allow those under 21 to drink for religious purposes. States including Oregon and New York allow those under 21 to drink on private non-alcohol selling premises. Some states like Ohio allow under 21 to drink in private and public including bars and restaurants if accompanied by parents, guardians, or spouse that is 21 or older.[3]

Interesting... and it's not illegal to buy minors alcohol? Up here it is.

 

[Glitch]

Really! I did not know that. All I ever heard was complaints from American friends that as a Canadian I was able to drink 2 years earlier than them... 3, if I was in Quebec.

It was a recent change in US laws. Congress blackmailed the States into changing their drinking laws by threatening to withhold federal highway funds using the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984. The federal government actually has no control over the drinking age, that is determined by each State. States can change their drinking laws any time they please.

When I was growing up the drinking age in Nebraska was 19. The drinking age in Iowa, and most other States was 18. California has always had a drinking age of 21, that hasn't changed. While other States split the age requirement. For example, Illinois you had to be 19 to buy beer, and 21 to buy wine or liquor.

There was also something called 3.2 beer, or "Near" beer, which was only 3.2% alcohol. In States where the drinking age was above 18 they often allowed 18 year olds to drink if they were drinking only 3.2% beer. I don't think they make "Near" beer any longer.

As of January 1, 2007, 14 States and DC ban underage consumption outright, 19 States do not specifically ban underage consumption outright, and 17 States have family member or location exceptions to their underage consumption laws. Also, 31 States have family member or location exceptions to their underage possession laws. For example, when my father gave me a sip of his beer when I was 12 years old at the family barbecue he did not violate any laws.

 

[OlNate]

It was a recent change in US laws. Congress blackmailed the States into changing their drinking laws by threatening to withhold federal highway funds using the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984. The federal government actually has no control over the drinking age, that is determined by each State. States can change their drinking laws any time they please.

When I was growing up the drinking age in Nebraska was 19. The drinking age in Iowa, and most other States was 18. California has always had a drinking age of 21, that hasn't changed. While other States split the age requirement. For example, Illinois you had to be 19 to buy beer, and 21 to buy wine or liquor.

There was also something called 3.2 beer, or "Near" beer, which was only 3.2% alcohol. In States where the drinking age was above 18 they often allowed 18 year olds to drink if they were drinking only 3.2% beer. I don't think they make "Near" beer any longer.

As of January 1, 2007, 14 States and DC ban underage consumption outright, 19 States do not specifically ban underage consumption outright, and 17 States have family member or location exceptions to their underage consumption laws. Also, 31 States have family member or location exceptions to their underage possession laws. For example, when my father gave me a sip of his beer when I was 12 years old at the family barbecue he did not violate any laws.

Wild... not going to lie, I sometimes find your legal system pretty confusing. I think it's due to how many states you have, all with the ability to do sort of what they want, but not really, or not all the time... hehe ... and then the federal laws. The whole legalization of cannabis definitely falls into that category, as does the notion of dry counties, etc.

I guess we do that up here to, to an extent, but with only 9 provinces and 3 territories, it's a little easier to keep track of.

 

[RF667799]

It was a recent change in US laws. Congress blackmailed the States into changing their drinking laws by threatening to withhold federal highway funds using the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984. The federal government actually has no control over the drinking age, that is determined by each State. States can change their drinking laws any time they please.

When I was growing up the drinking age in Nebraska was 19. The drinking age in Iowa, and most other States was 18. California has always had a drinking age of 21, that hasn't changed. While other States split the age requirement. For example, Illinois you had to be 19 to buy beer, and 21 to buy wine or liquor.

There was also something called 3.2 beer, or "Near" beer, which was only 3.2% alcohol. In States where the drinking age was above 18 they often allowed 18 year olds to drink if they were drinking only 3.2% beer. I don't think they make "Near" beer any longer.

As of January 1, 2007, 14 States and DC ban underage consumption outright, 19 States do not specifically ban underage consumption outright, and 17 States have family member or location exceptions to their underage consumption laws. Also, 31 States have family member or location exceptions to their underage possession laws. For example, when my father gave me a sip of his beer when I was 12 years old at the family barbecue he did not violate any laws.

In Illinois it was 19 for beer and wine, 21 for "hard" alcohol. By the time the law changed to 21 for everything, I had attained that age about 30 days prior.

 

[Noodlegawd]

But they still can't have a beer... weird.

Alcohol is a lot more dangerous than guns, so that's not exactly a valid comparison.

 

[OlNate]

Alcohol is a lot more dangerous than guns, so that's not exactly a valid comparison.

Lol OK.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

18 year olds can vote, join the military, enter contracts, get married, etc. This is no different.

Sure its different. This involves carrying a deadly weapon around among the general public. None of those other things do. DERP.