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No, not in this case:
First, a criminal complaint is most often used to obtain an arrest warrant in cases where agents and prosecutors are worried about either ongoing criminal conduct or risk to the public at large or, as is not infrequently true, both. Take a recent example. On the same day that Dugan was arrested, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Missouri announced that a day after a search of his house, a man was charged by criminal complaint for distributing and possessing child pornography. A criminal complaint under those circumstances is vitally important to ensure that the arrested individual can no longer continue to endanger child victims during the period it would take to secure an indictment from a grand jury.
It is hard to see how that rationale would apply in Judge Dugan’s case. Nothing in the criminal complaint suggests Dugan was involved in any kind of ongoing criminal conduct, let alone conduct that jeopardized the public at large. Even taken in a light most charitable to the government, the facts in the criminal complaint instead describe a judge unsympathetic to an effort by federal agents to enforce immigration laws in the Milwaukee County Courthouse. The complaint itself, however, notes that the chief judge was developing a policy for precisely such matters, and the criminal complaint nowhere suggests that Dugan would willfully resist such a policy once in place.
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Third, the move to quickly seek a criminal complaint in this case appears out of step with Justice Department policy. Under the Justice Manual, prosecutors must recognize “the fact that resort to the criminal process is not necessarily the only appropriate response to serious forms of antisocial activity.” Among the alternatives that prosecutors should explore is whether to refer matters to “licensing authorities or to professional organizations such as bar associations.” That appears to be exactly what happened—albeit after prosecutors dismissed criminal charges they had initially brought—in the just-mentioned case of Judge Joseph. It may be that after exploring alternatives to seeking criminal charges, the government would decide to press forward with prosecution nonetheless. But it is hard to take seriously the notion that prosecutors oversaw a complete investigation and engaged in a good-faith assessment of noncriminal alternatives to prosecution in a mere six days.
The Judge Dugan Case Is More Complicated Than It Seems
Some see the prosecution of the Wisconsin circuit court judge as vindicating the rule of law, and others as an attack on it. They’re both wrong.www.lawfaremedia.org
Good God, dude.
7.2 million encounters in 4 years would overwhelm an army of immigration judges, we'll never be able to process those that dont want to be so. I understand maybe only 4 million of those encounters got released with a notice into the USA. Add in 2 million get aways and that is still 6 million migrants sucking up USA resources
Post #133I'm not going to respond to that lame "As everybody smart and decent knows..." fallacy.
I don't have much confidence in any government agencies save for the IRS.We've already seen Eric Holder's DOJ and the weaponization of the FBI, so I can understand grave suspicion of ICE.
But I will say this as a non-fan of Donald Trump: I am delighted by his Admin's enforcement of immigration law. And confidently that this will save American lives. Texans' lives.
If Trump's Admin's enforcement is out of line, it must be brought back into line. Rogue judges isn't the way.
Post #137That is a cop-out, nota.
Including sending innocent people (as in, people convicted of no crime) to foreign concentration camps at taxpayer expense to serve indeterminate sentences without any due process afforded? And keeping them there against the orders of the Supreme Court? Are you delighted by that, nota bene?
Post #147I thought I was asking you a pretty straightforward question. But I think I can glean my answer. Would you say that as long as all the illegal immigrants and their disgusting parasite children (whether born citizens or not) are gone, you don’t care how it’s done?
But the felon, the Jan 6th and other pardonees are. Right?She isn’t above the law.
Your opinion is that a sitting judge should be arrested on a mere accusation, without even an indictment.If the judge is accused of breaking the law, shouldn't that result in an arrest?
Cooperation into following the current law (that you said you agreed with) of deporting illegal immigrants - what's wrong with that?
B...b...but the Trixie Coffee Klatch says the admin is not fascist...or....is just as fascist as the NAZI Obama, so your entire argument is dismissed...I guess.Trump's fascistic effort to crush the judiciary isn't limited to intimidating judges, which is what wed have here. He is extorting law firms and buying off indicted politicians, like Eric Adams.
I'm not going to respond to that lame "As everybody smart and decent knows..." fallacy.
I don't have much confidence in any government agencies save for the IRS.We've already seen Eric Holder's DOJ and the weaponization of the FBI, so I can understand grave suspicion of ICE.
But I will say this as a non-fan of Donald Trump: I am delighted by his Admin's enforcement of immigration law. And confidently that this will save American lives. Texans' lives.
If Trump's Admin's enforcement is out of line, it must be brought back into line. Rogue judges isn't the way.
there is a lot packed into that statement. Holder's secret efforts to investigate journalists. The Russian Hoax and assortedI don't have much confidence in any government agencies save for the IRS. We've already seen Eric Holder's DOJ and the weaponization of the FBI, so I can understand grave suspicion of ICE.
indeedI am delighted by his Admin's enforcement of immigration law. And confidently that this will save American lives. Texans' lives.
If Trump's Admin's enforcement is out of line, it must be brought back into line. Rogue judges isn't the way.
Republicans have carefully curated the growth and development of a political ecosystem that cannot be brought into line any other way.…
If Trump's Admin's enforcement is out of line, it must be brought back into line. Rogue judges isn't the way.
No, you really need to reel it in a bit.No, you really need to think beyond just that.
The Courts have already rebuked their deportations without due process. Unfortunately, courts haven't figured out what to do when the Executive Branch refuses to cooperate with federal judicial rulings.
We have a White House that is openly discussing suspending habeas corpus for people suspected of being illegal immigrants.
They are weaponizing the law.
People talk about resistance to fascism, which is very much the moment we're living in. People talk of resistance, well she resisted, in a way that is harmless, and, I would submit, legal. Again, had the feds produced criminal/judicial warrants, we're probably not having this discussion.
I am deeply offended that you have even asked me this question. "Disgusting parasite children"? Wow. I've nothing more to say to you.I thought I was asking you a pretty straightforward question. But I think I can glean my answer. Would you say that as long as all the illegal immigrants and their disgusting parasite children (whether born citizens or not) are gone, you don’t care how it’s done?
No, you really need to reel it in a bit.
She conducted the scheduled trial.No, you really need to reel it in a bit.
Dugan wasn’t patriotically/valiantly fighting against any abuse of power by Traitor Trump, or his MAGAt minions now infecting our federal government.
The charges are straightforward.
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If the Judge did as alleged, in violation of the statutes presented, she should be held accountable, period.
We don't know the full story. Let's hope justice prevails. If she's done wrong, she must be held accountable.Just needed 12NazisMAGAs on the 20 person grand jury to force this political persecution through.
If only there were a good God, Josie. If only there were one. Of course, if there is a Good and just God, that would only make me shudder for my country even more knowing what we have done and what we have coming to us.
Post #161I am deeply offended that you have even asked me this question. "Disgusting parasite children"? Wow. I've nothing more to say to you.
I really can't with this kind of hyperbole. An entire ecosystem?Republicans have carefully curated the growth and development of a political ecosystem that cannot be brought into line any other way.
The social fabric, once unraveled, cannot be easily strewn back together.
there is a lot packed into that statement. Holder's secret efforts to investigate journalists. The Russian Hoax and assorted
1/6 prosecutions by rogue prosecutor Weissman. and Ministry of Truth type platform shenanigans
indeed
Very true. Dude ain't no peach“Victimless”? HIS victims were in the courtroom,
Do we know that for sure or shall we wait for the verdict?Dugan went out of her away to allow the accused to escape.
Post #152If only there were a good God, Josie. If only there were one. Of course, if there is a Good and just God, that would only make me shudder for my country even more knowing what we have done and what we have coming to us.
Post #165That was a horrible thing to say, Felis. This isn't you.
Save your ridiculous frantic rants for others.No, you need to think and be more aware. One day in the not too distant future, you will wake up in a broken democracy absent the rule of law and you will wonder how we got here. I suggest bookmarking this thread for future reference. If you don't, I will.
Yeah, that’s not what she’s being charged with though, is it?She conducted the scheduled trial.
She appropriately took some of the ICE agents to meet with her supervisor.
Another voice of reason.We don't know the full story. Let's hope justice prevails. If she's done wrong, she must be held accountable.
Thank you.Another voice of reason.
Intimidating judges to attack an outgroup scapegoat is right out the Nazi playbook.
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