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Milwaukee, Another Case of Blacks Rioting for all the Wrong Reasons

Like I said. what the USA is doing is not working. So we are in agreement, Yes?

As far as actually wisely addressing the problem of relative poverty? I would solidly concur. I have, in fact, gone into it and developed a proposed solution at a bit of length.


But the idea that these people are rioting "because poverty" is ridiculous.
 
Let himself get into? Some smart people are born into poverty. And at age 20, for argument's sake, they are much more likely to be fooled than a stupid person with an education. Environmental factors are more important than IQ regarding whether someone is fooled. Resources mean education to think critically.


that is wrong... a smart person over comes his environment .. a non smart cannot because of low logic

education cannot teach one to think logically... that is inbred

PROOF.....

sit a lizard and a human in a college classroom for 800 years and if education makes one think logically then both will think logically

nope its inbred and cannot be changed......logic helps a person to get out of a harmful environment
 
As far as actually wisely addressing the problem of relative poverty? I would solidly concur. I have, in fact, gone into it and developed a proposed solution at a bit of length.


But the idea that these people are rioting "because poverty" is ridiculous.


right it is NOT poverty but low Logic people getting brainwashed to FEEL LESS.. the media is the number 1 cause of the brainwashing
 
ok. so your saying the poor that are rioting are of low IQ? How did you determine that?


higher IQ's will work on the solution.. america has many many ways to gain enough money to live easily.. low IQ's wastes a ton of money and brings them into poverty just from their waste
 
from 2011:

All the while, Milwaukee's wealthier suburbs thrive. Ozaukee County, just north of the city, is the 25th wealthiest in the United States in terms of per capita income.

"It's basically two cities," said Howard Snyder, executive director of the Northwest Side Community Development Corporation, a local non-profit. "Now, everybody is locked in. You can't move in. You can't move out. You're stuck. There was a moment for bold action but it has passed."

A big part of what happened to Detroit as well, the segregation of the classes, feeding the hopelessness of the underclass.

"You had the war on poverty and then you had the trickle down theory," said Sherrie Tussler, executive director of the Hunger Task Force, a local non-profit that feeds a growing number of formerly middle-class families. "And neither one worked."
A big part of the decline of the USA, the programs of the "experts" not working.

The 38-year-old Milwaukee native insists he and other Democrats work closely with local business leaders to try to revive the city. Government alone is not the answer, he said. Nor is the free market alone. Wisconsin, Hamilton insists, is an example for a divided country.

"It's an example of what not to do," he said, "and what can be done.
Free-Falling in Milwaukee: A Close-Up on One City's Middle-Class Decline - The Atlantic

Milwaukee is exactly a warning to the nation of what happens when we refuse to work together for the common good. I dont know exactly where this city went wrong but the social fabric was already showing signs of lack of quality by the mid 70's, before the city lost a huge chunk of its jobs to China. The best argument I have so far found is that it was the building of the massive highways through the city without regard for the consequences for the city, especially the system of neighborhoods, that set everything in motion, but I am still looking for better answers.
 
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So it is the Republican parties fault because the city is full of Democrats? Victim much?

Apparently my point went right over your head.

Assume you lived in Milwaukee. Now imagine that you wanted to vote for different leadership. What are your options? Maybe if there was a Republican candidate, you could vote for him. But there isn't one.

By not even giving people a chance, the Republicans are basically saying they don't care. If you don't care, you don't get to bitch.
 
from 2004, showing clearly just how deeply this city was broken by that time:

Milwaukee’s incoming mayor will lead a city at a crossroads. The city must make big, fundamental changes if
further decline is to be prevented. Milwaukee’s heritage as a blue collar, working-class city is now working against
economic growth. Today’s successful cities have a smaller blue-collar population and a higher proportion of their residents
with college degrees and creative abilities. Milwaukee must break from its past and concentrate on being a city
to which the creative class is drawn. It must target income growth and not just job growth, a strategy that will lead
to both higher incomes and likely more jobs. Economists have shown this strategy benefits all metro residents including
those in the central city — one recent study argues that each 1% growth in per capita incomes yields a 1% reduction
in poverty

The study concludes with a series of observations on how to renew the Milwaukee economy. Among the ideas
put forward are:
• Milwaukee leaders must acknowledge the decline of the city’s economy.
• The city must elevate its aspirations, striving to become a top echelon American city.
• The city must add 5,300 college-educated residents each year from now until 2020 just to become an average
city.
• Milwaukee must measure its progress through income growth, not just job growth.
• Additional taxes will not be required. However 1/2 of the proceeds from the state’s gaming compact with
the Potawatomi should remain in Milwaukee. This could generate over $500 million for Milwaukee over
the next twenty years. This will be essential in developing the key elements of a new economy such as
research parks, technology centers and venture capital funding.
• MPS student performance and attendance must be targeted for improvement. Existing school funding must
be independently analyzed and reallocated to target student performance and attendance.
• The school system should be merged with the city and the mayor should be held responsible for improved
performance.
• State funding should be tied to student performance. While this report does not suggest reducing funding to
MPS, the state can no longer afford to provide funding without regard to how effective it is in improving
student performance.

http://www.wpri.org/WPRI-Files/Special-Reports/Reports-Documents/Vol17no1.pdf
 
Apparently my point went right over your head.

Assume you lived in Milwaukee. Now imagine that you wanted to vote for different leadership. What are your options? Maybe if there was a Republican candidate, you could vote for him. But there isn't one.

By not even giving people a chance, the Republicans are basically saying they don't care. If you don't care, you don't get to bitch.

Why run a candidate in an area where there is zero chance of victory?
 
from 2011:



A big part of what happened to Detroit as well, the segregation of the classes, feeding the hopelessness of the underclass.


A big part of the decline of the USA, the programs of the "experts" not working.


Free-Falling in Milwaukee: A Close-Up on One City's Middle-Class Decline - The Atlantic

Milwaukee is exactly a warning to the nation of what happens when we refuse to work together for the common good. I dont know exactly where this city went wrong but the social fabric was already showing signs of lack of quality by the mid 70's, before the city lost a huge chunk of its jobs to China. The best argument I have so far found is that it was the building of the massive highways through the city without regard for the consequences for the city, especially the system of neighborhoods, that set everything in motion, but I am still looking for better answers.

The freeway building was certainly a part of Detroit's decline.
I'm not too surprised to hear that the same "progress" afflicted Milwaukee.
Urban renewal was a disaster for many cities.
 
Apparently my point went right over your head.

Assume you lived in Milwaukee. Now imagine that you wanted to vote for different leadership. What are your options? Maybe if there was a Republican candidate, you could vote for him. But there isn't one.

By not even giving people a chance, the Republicans are basically saying they don't care. If you don't care, you don't get to bitch.

Is it your opinion that there is a substantial Republican block of voters that would make it likely that a Republican could win in Milwaukee?

Since 1960, Milwaukee has been a stronghold of the Democratic Party both locally and nationally, but the city is largely divided between different factions of Democrats. Such was the case when, during the 2004 mayoral election, a Milwaukee radio station received a phone call originating from a number at the Wisconsin Democratic Headquarters in Madison.[1] Many supporters of Marvin Pratt saw this as confirmation that the party was showing favoritism toward rival Tom Barrett. (Though the election was non-partisan, both candidates were registered Democrats.) The call was later explained to have come from an independent organization calling from within the headquarters building.
Third party politics has played an important part in Milwaukee city government. While Milwaukee's elected representatives are currently elected on a non-partisan basis, the city has a deep history that includes past election of three Socialist Mayors (the last being Frank Zeidler from 1948-1960), as well as a number of former Socialist representatives to the Common Council.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Milwaukee

I surmise that it is your opinion that the Republicans need to come in and clean this democrat lead government up and get it on the right course (pun intended). It would take martial law to do that. Do you want martial law declared in Milwaukee?
 
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The freeway building was certainly a part of Detroit's decline.
I'm not too surprised to hear that the same "progress" afflicted Milwaukee.
Urban renewal was a disaster for many cities.

The highway program was not urban renewal, but in both there was a clear "we dont care about what we are destroying because we are building something better". But I think there was a profound misunderstanding about what they were working on.....I am reminded of Alan Watts saying (paraphrase, maybe) "The church is not the building that we call "the church", the Church is what happens inside that building". Cities are not just roads and buildings for sure, maybe the most important part of what a city is what happens in those buildings and on those roads....relationships, identity, the daily patterns of life. I think clearly that the highway builders and the urban renewal planners , and yes even the political leaders, did not understand that, to the detriment of us all.
 
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Is it your opinion that there is a substantial Republican block of voters that would make it likely that a Republican could win in Milwaukee?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Milwaukee

I surmise that it is your opinion that the Republicans need to come in and clean this democrat lead government up and get it on the right course (pun intended). It would take martial law to do that. Do you want martial law declared in Milwaukee?

My opinion is that the residents should get to choose.

I surmise that your opinion is that you don't actually want to see things better, as long as you can blame Democrats.
 
But the 1960s, 1950s/1960s, were also years of rapid social change, and in the name of urban renewal , in the name of highway construction, and in the name of integrating schools, etc. it was an era of massive social change and many of the neighborhoods were broken down, the neighborhood schools were broken down, and if you had asked a way to break down the social controls that neighborhoods and communities offered Milwaukee and many other cities could provide you with a good example because all the agencies of social control, all the agencies of socialization really came under well-meaning but nevertheless an assault that broke down their ability to maintain order and to keep youths especially under control. And so Milwaukee started, along with most other cities at that time, a movement towards increase crime, but also antagonism developed between police and the African American community and that… and we know about the riots of the 1960s. For most people now those riots are history, but I remember being on the streets of Milwaukee after the riots, seeing the military on the streets, and it was something tragic to see. But an antagonistic relationship started then between the Milwaukee police department and citizens… excuse me… and African American citizens that really lasted up until the current scene.

What Can We Learn from the History of Milwaukee Policing? | City Journal

Social stressing in large part created by the "experts", who were out to make things better but who came to the project with too little understanding of what they were working on. Also with too little regard for risk which is a huge problem today, too little understanding that cities as with all things human can only take limited amounts of change at a time most of the time.

At the link is a good talk about how this police chef has been an advocate of "community policing", which we can see is not enough to prevent the inner city warehoused black underclass from rioting. This should put a crimp in the day of those who support the types of changes that BLM is after. At some point if you feel like a prisoner of inner city poverty you dont care how nice your jailer is to you at breakfast.


EDIT: I am also reminded of the argument that we killed DC (the political functioning of) with reform...too much, often not very bright...and that fact that those who done it meant well does not mean squat.
 
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Why run a candidate in an area where there is zero chance of victory?

And Democrats do it all the time. In Congressional races where the district is drawn to guarantee a Republican victory, there is still a Democrattic candidate (Repubs do that too in safe Den districts). Gary Johnson has no real hope of being President, but there is a Libertarian candidate.

I mean, you guys have the superior message right? I think there probably is a large number of inner city residents who would like change, and would vote that way.

But it's more constructive to play the blame game, I guess.
 
State Senator Lena Taylor on CNN right now, just blamed the riots on slavery, and the same list we hear every time these type things happen.

What ever happened to self reliance? What ever happened to personal responsibility? What ever happened to taking control of your own life and not expecting others to do for you rather than doing for yourself?

Senator Taylor also said that this area has the highest incarceration rate and the lowest literacy rate in the entire state. Why is that? She blamed "the system of oppression" in her interview. I have a hard time believing that some yet to be identified "system" made a person break the law, or prevented a person from learning to read. Now, if she had changed the word "system" with the word "culture" I may could understand that.

It was also disclosed in the mayor and police chief's press conference that the guy that was shot had a gun in his hand, and was shot by a black cop, not a white cop like many had assumed.

Burning your own community down, only harms you more. It appears that the ones doing a lot of the rioting are people that are already habitual criminals and not the good people of these communities. It's sad to me. Very sad. Those that do the rioting are profiting from the riots, as are those in politics that feed the flames like the Senator in the beginning of this post.

As long as there are morons like this in positions of "leadership", these problems will persist.
 
As long as there are morons like this in positions of "leadership", these problems will persist.

The incompetence and worse of the politico's is a huge part of the equation of what has gone wrong with America. But you know what, till the people care enough about the political system that the best want to serve and the masses can both tell who is the best and will support them this breakdown will not get any better.
 
And Democrats do it all the time. In Congressional races where the district is drawn to guarantee a Republican victory, there is still a Democrattic candidate (Repubs do that too in safe Den districts). Gary Johnson has no real hope of being President, but there is a Libertarian candidate.

I mean, you guys have the superior message right? I think there probably is a large number of inner city residents who would like change, and would vote that way.

But it's more constructive to play the blame game, I guess.

The black community hasn't shown they are largely interested in the message that anyone but democrats are selling. Why would anyone go back and attempt to sell their message when they show zero interest in anyone but democrats? There is elections out there that republicans can win where money is needed and you want them to waste money in an election where they will surely lose? What's the point?
 
Obama's america. His knee jerk reactions to events without considering facts has been an example to race warriors and hucksters. The most divisive ultra racial president cements his legacy. As his mentor would say: the chickens have come home to roost.

Well obviously we need to elect the color blind "law and order" guy Donald Trump to the presidency, so he can undo all of the racism Obama has imposed on Americans, eh?
 
State Senator Lena Taylor on CNN right now, just blamed the riots on slavery

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Gee what a surprise. :violin Come on baby sing it one more time

The poor old black man blues!
 
The black community hasn't shown they are largely interested in the message that anyone but democrats are selling. Why would anyone go back and attempt to sell their message when they show zero interest in anyone but democrats? There is elections out there that republicans can win where money is needed and you want them to waste money in an election where they will surely lose? What's the point?

So you're ok with the status quo.....as long as you can blame Democrats. Don't lose sight of what's important after all.
 
So you're ok with the status quo.....as long as you can blame Democrats. Don't lose sight of what's important after all.

If blacks start showing an interest in the message of other groups besides democrats there would be a point in those groups running for office in places with a majority black population. If however they feel it is in their interest to continue to vote for democrats in huge majorities all over the country there is no point in pursuing it.
 
So you're ok with the status quo.....as long as you can blame Democrats. Don't lose sight of what's important after all.

Well, at least you admit the status quo of democrat leadership isn't working.
 
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