Millions Face Losing Health Insurance Under Republican Proposal (1 Viewer)

[ColdHardTruth]

Millions Face Losing Health Insurance Under Republican Proposal​

A Republican-led proposal to scale back Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies could result in millions of Americans losing their health insurance, according to new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The CBO estimates were requested by top Democrats in the House Energy and Commerce, House Ways and Means, and Senate Finance Committees, Senator Ron Wyden and Representatives Neal Dunn and Frank Pallone.

I have been saying this for years. The GQP wants to take away your benefits.

MSN

 

[Integrityrespec]

Millions Face Losing Health Insurance Under Republican Proposal​

A Republican-led proposal to scale back Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies could result in millions of Americans losing their health insurance, according to new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The CBO estimates were requested by top Democrats in the House Energy and Commerce, House Ways and Means, and Senate Finance Committees, Senator Ron Wyden and Representatives Neal Dunn and Frank Pallone.

I have been saying this for years. The GQP wants to take away your benefits.

MSN

We all know we have a debt we cannot continue to support. We all know we are paying too much for care and we are providing it to some people who do not qualify. The solutions can only be, cut waste, fraud and abuse or tax us more. Which do you prefer? I'm of the opinion it's going to take some of both to save SSI, medicare, medicaid with medicaid being most plagued by abuse.

 

[BirdinHand]

We all know we have a debt we cannot continue to support. We all know we are paying too much for care and we are providing it to some people who do not qualify. The solutions can only be, cut waste, fraud and abuse or tax us more. Which do you prefer? I'm of the opinion it's going to take some of both to save SSI, medicare, medicaid with medicaid being most plagued by abuse.

MAGA-splaining away cutting the ability of average Americans to access healthcare so as to pay for a tax cut for the rich.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

We all know we have a debt we cannot continue to support. We all know we are paying too much for care and we are providing it to some people who do not qualify. The solutions can only be, cut waste, fraud and abuse or tax us more. Which do you prefer? I'm of the opinion it's going to take some of both to save SSI, medicare, medicaid with medicaid being most plagued by abuse.

The problem is that the reich-wing has never actually found waste, fraud, or abuse. That is a bullshit tactic they are using to cut needy people off of benefits.

If the millionaires and billionaires were taxed as they were in the 20th century, and if Republicans hadn't repeatedly stolen from the social security fund to build stupid shit, like Star Wars Defense Initiative (SDI), there would be money there to support the people and keeps benefits where they are.

 

[EthanB]

So, supposedly we're the richest nation on the planet, but can't seem to afford supporting the heath of our citizens. I agree that cuts need to be made, the the deficit is not sustainable; but removing healthcare should be off the table.

 

[Greenbeard]

We all know we have a debt we cannot continue to support. We all know we are paying too much for care and we are providing it to some people who do not qualify. The solutions can only be, cut waste, fraud and abuse or tax us more. Which do you prefer? I'm of the opinion it's going to take some of both to save SSI, medicare, medicaid with medicaid being most plagued by abuse.

Framing throwing 14 million Americans off their coverage as “cutting waste, fraud, and abuse” is borderline sadistic.

 

[dmpi]

So, supposedly we're the richest nation on the planet, but can't seem to afford supporting the heath of our citizens. I agree that cuts need to be made, the the deficit is not sustainable; but removing healthcare should be off the table.

We pay the insane costs for medical care because we are in fact the richest nation and we are far from being the healthiest nation around. Something's wrong. We just can't keep doing what we're doing.

 

[Moderate Right]

Millions Face Losing Health Insurance Under Republican Proposal​

A Republican-led proposal to scale back Affordable Care Act (ACA) subsidies could result in millions of Americans losing their health insurance, according to new estimates from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).

The CBO estimates were requested by top Democrats in the House Energy and Commerce, House Ways and Means, and Senate Finance Committees, Senator Ron Wyden and Representatives Neal Dunn and Frank Pallone.

I have been saying this for years. The GQP wants to take away your benefits.

MSN

The subsidies were a crock of crap from the very beginning. What we should have done from the very beginning was to work together, even with insurance companies, providers, and big pharma to find ways to actually decrease the cost of healthcare. Instead, the democrats' solution has been to stiff providers, use subsidies to add onto our national debt, and wanting to increase taxes on the wealthy, instead of figuring out ways to actually decrease the cost of healthcare. If we want to decrease the cost of healthcare then we actually have to decrease the healthcare costs that we all pay, including providers, health insurance companies, and big pharma.

 

[BirdinHand]

We pay the insane costs for medical care because we are in fact the richest nation and we are far from being the healthiest nation around. Something's wrong. We just can't keep doing what we're doing.

Cool.

Let’s take away your Medicare.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

The subsidies were a crock of crap from the very beginning. What we should have done from the very beginning was to work together, even with insurance companies, providers, and big pharma to find ways to actually decrease the cost of healthcare. Instead, the democrats' solution has been to stiff providers, use subsidies to add onto our national debt, and wanting to increase taxes on the wealthy, instead of figuring out ways to actually decrease the cost of healthcare. If we want to decrease the cost of healthcare then we actually have to decrease the healthcare costs that we all pay, including providers, health insurance companies, and big pharma.

I partially agree with this.

Providers need to lay off the excessive costs. Paying a certain amount for services, as with any Medicaid or Medicare plan, is a necessity. Excessive profiteering has been a problem in this country for a very long time. Allowing big pharma and medical to sodomize though billing is not acceptable.

We need a solution that lowers the cost of care and one way to make sure this happens is to eliminate the excessive profiteering in medicine and pharmaceuticals.

Blaming Democrats for trying to help while the repukes do nothing is not helpful.

 

[StillBallin75]

The GOP for ages has stood for nothing besides screwing the working man, enriching its billionaire donors, while using culture wars as a distraction from the class war and engaging all sorts of cheating and voter suppression tactics in order to stay in power.

That Democrats still manage to lose to them in this day and age is a testament to how feckless and spineless they are.

 

[Lisa]

We all know we have a debt we cannot continue to support. We all know we are paying too much for care and we are providing it to some people who do not qualify. The solutions can only be, cut waste, fraud and abuse or tax us more. Which do you prefer? I'm of the opinion it's going to take some of both to save SSI, medicare, medicaid with medicaid being most plagued by abuse.

Or we could raise taxes on those who are the richest 5%.

There has been no abuse to be found but you still bought into the Cadillac-driving welfare recipients that Regan pushed in the 1980s.

 

[NolanVoyd]

The solutions can only be, cut waste, fraud and abuse or tax us more. Which do you prefer?

I am of the opinion that we need to raise taxes.

Our overall tax burden is at historic lows. Its out of balance.

Cutting waste fraud and abuse would be fine but DOGE couldn't find much so they cut all sorts of valuable programs that help us instead. Dodge's actions will cost us more in the long run.

Great example of being penny wise and pound foolish.

 

[Moderate Right]

I partially agree with this.

Providers need to lay off the excessive costs. Paying a certain amount for services, as with any Medicaid or Medicare plan, is a necessity. Excessive profiteering has been a problem in this country for a very long time. Allowing big pharma and medical to sodomize though billing is not acceptable.

We need a solution that lowers the cost of care and one way to make sure this happens is to eliminate the excessive profiteering in medicine and pharmaceuticals.

Blaming Democrats for trying to help while the repukes do nothing is not helpful.

Sure it's helpful. If we don't include providers, insurance companies, and big pharma in the solution then healthcare costs will not decrease. And, the solution means listening to these places instead of issuing mandates to them or stiffing their payments.

You said providers need to lay off excessive costs. What does that even mean? If a doctor doesn't order every medical test there is and something is missed, then they are sued by John Doe for malpractice. So, in order to provide the best care possible they have to order every test known to man. And, they have to pay very high malpractice insurance rates because leftists encourage suing providers and encourage courts to judge against them to the tune of tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars. Doctors also often have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan costs to become doctors. If a provider has to buy a medical machine for millions of dollars that adds onto the costs.

Individuals and businesses alike take a huge gamble in getting things going. They could all lose their shorts. No one would take the gamble if there wasn't a big enough reward at the end. Why would a doctor go to medical school for ten years or more if there wasn't a reward at the end of the rainbow? No one would want to go through all that and the cost if you leftists took the reward away. There are also far too many laws and regulations which add onto their costs. My allergy doctor from many years ago complained about the ACA mandating digital records. He said all of those machines to accomplish that cost tens of thousands of dollars, not counting all of the billing people who had to get paid to code that billing system with thousands of different codes. Doctors used to not have to have big billing departments if they didn't want them. Now they all do.

Big Pharma spends a gazillion dollars on research and deveopment to find new drugs, with much of that money getting thrown down the toilet on failures. Where are they supposed to get all of that money from? And don't tell me about getting it from charging it to the national debt or making the rich pay their fair share. If you took every single dime the one percenters have, leaving them homeless, it wouldn't come close to paying off our 36 trillion dollar national debt. While Republicans haven't been very useful in finding a solution, democrats' only solutions don't actually fix the real problem.

 

[Airyaman]

We all know we have a debt we cannot continue to support. We all know we are paying too much for care and we are providing it to some people who do not qualify. The solutions can only be, cut waste, fraud and abuse or tax us more. Which do you prefer? I'm of the opinion it's going to take some of both to save SSI, medicare, medicaid with medicaid being most plagued by abuse.

Should the government cut how much they are paying you for SS benefits? Cut your Medicare services?

 

[EthanB]

What we should have done from the very beginning was to work together, even with insurance companies, providers, and big pharma to find ways to actually decrease the cost of healthcare.

I agree 100% with that. The ACA did solve a few issues; but it didn't address the real problem. The whole working together part almost seems out of touch at present though; probably was back then also. This business of one side coming up with a good idea, but the other opposing it because it wasn't their idea needs to stop.

 

[Moderate Right]

I agree 100% with that. The ACA did solve a few issues; but it didn't address the real problem. The whole working together part almost seems out of touch at present though; probably was back then also. This business of one side coming up with a good idea, but the other opposing it because it wasn't their idea needs to stop.

When you go into it badmouthing providers, health insurance companies, and big pharma, then you aren't going to solve the underlying problem.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Sure it's helpful. If we don't include providers, insurance companies, and big pharma in the solution then healthcare costs will not decrease. And, the solution means listening to these places instead of issuing mandates to them or stiffing their payments.

If we listen to these places, their advice would be to let them charge as much as they want without limits.

You said providers need to lay off excessive costs. What does that even mean? If a doctor doesn't order every medical test there is and something is missed, then they are sued by John Doe for malpractice. So, in order to provide the best care possible they have to order every test known to man

This is not always true.

. And, they have to pay very high malpractice insurance rates because leftists encourage suing providers and encourage courts to judge against them to the tune of tens or even hundreds of millions of dollars.

This is not true.

Doctors also often have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan costs to become doctors.

This is true. Student loans are expensive. Colleges need to become non-profit. This would decrease costs.

If a provider has to buy a medical machine for millions of dollars that adds onto the costs.

That is not the responsibility of the patients. We had no say in what was purchased, and we are not going to be forced to cover those costs. We should also due away with ivy league. That is nothing but elitist bullshit.

Individuals and businesses alike take a huge gamble in getting things going. They could all lose their shorts. No one would take the gamble if there wasn't a big enough reward at the end. Why would a doctor go to medical school for ten years or more if there wasn't a reward at the end of the rainbow? No one would want to go through all that and the cost if you leftists took the reward away. There are also far too many laws and regulations which add onto their costs. My allergy doctor from many years ago complained about the ACA mandating digital records. He said all of those machines to accomplish that cost tens of thousands of dollars, not counting all of the billing people who had to get paid to code that billing system with thousands of different codes. Doctors used to not have to have big billing departments if they didn't want them. Now they all do.

Use of the term "you leftists" is offensive.

Big Pharma spends a gazillion dollars on research and deveopment to find new drugs, with much of that money getting thrown down the toilet on failures. Where are they supposed to get all of that money from? And don't tell me about getting it from charging it to the national debt or making the rich pay their fair share. If you took every single dime the one percenters have, leaving them homeless, it wouldn't come close to paying off our 36 trillion dollar national debt. While Republicans haven't been very useful in finding a solution, democrats' only solutions don't actually fix the real problem.

Forcing sick people to pay R&D costs is bullshit. Allowing the rich to duck paying taxes is not appropriate.

Democrats have at least TRIED to find ways to fix the system. Republicans try to take benefits away and give tax breaks to the 1% and big business. This is NOT acceptable.

 

[NuffSaid]

We pay the insane costs for medical care because we are in fact the richest nation and we are far from being the healthiest nation around. Something's wrong. We just can't keep doing what we're doing.

European countries have free healthcare and are way more healthy than US.
Maybe we should adopt their system?

 

[NuffSaid]

Framing throwing 14 million Americans off their coverage as “cutting waste, fraud, and abuse” is borderline sadistic.

MAGA doesn't care because ACA was created under Obama. MAGA despise everything Obama did.
If Trump created ACA, MAGA would be fawning over how awesome it is.

 

[Greenbeard]

The subsidies were a crock of crap from the very beginning. What we should have done from the very beginning was to work together, even with insurance companies, providers, and big pharma to find ways to actually decrease the cost of healthcare.

That’s what they have doing under the ACA.

What is value-based care?

Value-based care is a health care model focused on enhancing patient outcomes and quality of care. Find AMA resources on value-based care.

www.ama-assn.org

With promising results.



Unfortunately one of the key federal partners in disseminating cost-saving practices and innovations just got gutted by DOGE.

Health care has a ‘last mile’ problem. Trump is making it worse. - The Boston Globe

If the Trump administration’s goal is to "Make America Healthy Again," why cut the only federal agency whose sole mission it is to improve the quality and safety of health care delivery?

www.bostonglobe.com

 

[Brack]

I know that Trump and Speaker Johnson want to slash Medicaid, but I'm hopeful that they won't have enough votes to pass their Medicaid cuts in both Houses of Congress.

 

[Ikari]

MAGA does certainly love harming the America people.

 

[tharock220]

The OP: Americans will lose their health insurance.
The truth: Hard working Americans will no longer be forced to pay for their own health insurance and have money taken from them to pay for others' as well.

 

[EthanB]

When you go into it badmouthing providers, health insurance companies, and big pharma, then you aren't going to solve the underlying problem.

No you're not. Emotions (name calling) need to be removed from the equation; it solves nothing. Capitalism is thriving in big pharma, and health insurance companies; supply and demand. Another issue is the ability to sue for anything, which in turn causes 50% of a GP's income to go towards malpractice insurance. What to do, more regulation on costs?