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Disobeying would be stupid. An officer, even a general, is not privy to all the intelligence provided to the President. For all the officer knows, NK is about to launch nukes.
The officer balks, NK launches nukes which could have been prevented, the officer is instantly one of the worst people to ever exist.
I don't think we have to worry about that with this particular President. The chances of a General or even Lieutenant in the National Guard, not knowing more than Trump, is as close to zero as you can get without being zero.
A USMC active duty Colonel argues in the official journal of the National Defense University that officers have the moral duty and the obligation by their commission and their oath to disobey a legal order from the President/Commander in Chief.
USMC Special Operations Commander Colonel Andrew L. Milburn argued in the journal that...
A survey conducted among students at the Marine Corps War College (MCWAR) in January 2010 represents a cross section of 20 senior field-grade officers from all Services and two foreign countries. Without exception, they agreed that there are circumstances under which they would disobey a lawful order. Their criteria vary little, as these excerpts illustrate:
* "If the officer cannot live with obeying the order, then he must disobey and accept the consequences."
* "When I cannot look at myself in the mirror afterwards."
* "When I deem the order to be immoral."
* "When it is going to lead to mission failure."
* "When it will get someone injured or killed needlessly."
* "When it will cause military or institutional disaster."
These comments reflect the view that the military professional has moral obligations more fundamental than obedience and loyalty to their leaders, civilian or military. Myers and Kohn imply that the term moral is too subjective to be defendable. However, I argue that the military profession is founded on clearly defined moral principles.
I use the term military professional to apply to military officers. I make this distinction based on the nature of the officer's professional military education, which focuses on developing an abstract body of knowledge; his code of ethics, which reflect the "special trust and confidence" conferred on him by the President and Congress in his commission; and his oath of office, which differs in an important aspect from the enlisted oath. These defining characteristics of the military profession impose on him obligations beyond obedience.
https://www.army.mil/article/47175/breaking-ranks-dissent-and-the-military-professional/
Colonel Milburn earned a B.A. in Philosophy from London University and a law degree from Polytechnic of Central London. He enlisted in USMC in 1987.
Colonel Milurn's philosophy of civilian-military relations would indicate the U.S. military would be justified to refuse an order by Potus Trump to initiate "first use" of nuclear weapons. While the U.S. does maintain its policy of executing a first use ("all options are on the table"), it likely would be a bad idea for a Potus Trump to be the first to implement the first use policy (since 1945).
Ne c'est pas?
I don't think we have to worry about that with this particular President. The chances of a General or even Lieutenant in the National Guard, not knowing more than Trump, is as close to zero as you can get without being zero.
A USMC active duty Colonel argues in the official journal of the National Defense University that officers have the moral duty and the obligation by their commission and their oath to disobey a legal order from the President/Commander in Chief.
USMC Special Operations Commander Colonel Andrew L. Milburn argued in the journal that...
A survey conducted among students at the Marine Corps War College (MCWAR) in January 2010 represents a cross section of 20 senior field-grade officers from all Services and two foreign countries. Without exception, they agreed that there are circumstances under which they would disobey a lawful order. Their criteria vary little, as these excerpts illustrate:
* "If the officer cannot live with obeying the order, then he must disobey and accept the consequences."
* "When I cannot look at myself in the mirror afterwards."
* "When I deem the order to be immoral."
* "When it is going to lead to mission failure."
* "When it will get someone injured or killed needlessly."
* "When it will cause military or institutional disaster."
These comments reflect the view that the military professional has moral obligations more fundamental than obedience and loyalty to their leaders, civilian or military. Myers and Kohn imply that the term moral is too subjective to be defendable. However, I argue that the military profession is founded on clearly defined moral principles.
I use the term military professional to apply to military officers. I make this distinction based on the nature of the officer's professional military education, which focuses on developing an abstract body of knowledge; his code of ethics, which reflect the "special trust and confidence" conferred on him by the President and Congress in his commission; and his oath of office, which differs in an important aspect from the enlisted oath. These defining characteristics of the military profession impose on him obligations beyond obedience.
https://www.army.mil/article/47175/breaking-ranks-dissent-and-the-military-professional/
Colonel Milburn earned a B.A. in Philosophy from London University and a law degree from Polytechnic of Central London. He enlisted in USMC in 1987.
Colonel Milurn's philosophy of civilian-military relations would indicate the U.S. military would be justified to refuse an order by Potus Trump to initiate "first use" of nuclear weapons. While the U.S. does maintain its policy of executing a first use ("all options are on the table"), it likely would be a bad idea for a Potus Trump to be the first to implement the first use policy (since 1945).
Ne c'est pas?
Sounds like they are fomenting treason.
A USMC active duty Colonel argues in the official journal of the National Defense University that officers have the moral duty and the obligation by their commission and their oath to disobey a legal order from the President/Commander in Chief.
USMC Special Operations Commander Colonel Andrew L. Milburn argued in the journal that...
A survey conducted among students at the Marine Corps War College (MCWAR) in January 2010 represents a cross section of 20 senior field-grade officers from all Services and two foreign countries. Without exception, they agreed that there are circumstances under which they would disobey a lawful order. Their criteria vary little, as these excerpts illustrate:
* "If the officer cannot live with obeying the order, then he must disobey and accept the consequences."
* "When I cannot look at myself in the mirror afterwards."
* "When I deem the order to be immoral."
* "When it is going to lead to mission failure."
* "When it will get someone injured or killed needlessly."
* "When it will cause military or institutional disaster."
These comments reflect the view that the military professional has moral obligations more fundamental than obedience and loyalty to their leaders, civilian or military. Myers and Kohn imply that the term moral is too subjective to be defendable. However, I argue that the military profession is founded on clearly defined moral principles.
I use the term military professional to apply to military officers. I make this distinction based on the nature of the officer's professional military education, which focuses on developing an abstract body of knowledge; his code of ethics, which reflect the "special trust and confidence" conferred on him by the President and Congress in his commission; and his oath of office, which differs in an important aspect from the enlisted oath. These defining characteristics of the military profession impose on him obligations beyond obedience.
https://www.army.mil/article/47175/breaking-ranks-dissent-and-the-military-professional/
Colonel Milburn earned a B.A. in Philosophy from London University and a law degree from Polytechnic of Central London. He enlisted in USMC in 1987.
Colonel Milurn's philosophy of civilian-military relations would indicate the U.S. military would be justified to refuse an order by Potus Trump to initiate "first use" of nuclear weapons. While the U.S. does maintain its policy of executing a first use ("all options are on the table"), it likely would be a bad idea for a Potus Trump to be the first to implement the first use policy (since 1945).
Ne c'est pas?
A USMC active duty Colonel argues in the official journal of the National Defense University that officers have the moral duty and the obligation by their commission and their oath to disobey a legal order from the President/Commander in Chief.
USMC Special Operations Commander Colonel Andrew L. Milburn argued in the journal that...
A survey conducted among students at the Marine Corps War College (MCWAR) in January 2010 represents a cross section of 20 senior field-grade officers from all Services and two foreign countries. Without exception, they agreed that there are circumstances under which they would disobey a lawful order. Their criteria vary little, as these excerpts illustrate:
* "If the officer cannot live with obeying the order, then he must disobey and accept the consequences."
* "When I cannot look at myself in the mirror afterwards."
* "When I deem the order to be immoral."
* "When it is going to lead to mission failure."
* "When it will get someone injured or killed needlessly."
* "When it will cause military or institutional disaster."
These comments reflect the view that the military professional has moral obligations more fundamental than obedience and loyalty to their leaders, civilian or military. Myers and Kohn imply that the term moral is too subjective to be defendable. However, I argue that the military profession is founded on clearly defined moral principles.
I use the term military professional to apply to military officers. I make this distinction based on the nature of the officer's professional military education, which focuses on developing an abstract body of knowledge; his code of ethics, which reflect the "special trust and confidence" conferred on him by the President and Congress in his commission; and his oath of office, which differs in an important aspect from the enlisted oath. These defining characteristics of the military profession impose on him obligations beyond obedience.
https://www.army.mil/article/47175/breaking-ranks-dissent-and-the-military-professional/
That would imply a failure with the intelligence services, which, in a roundabout way, would actually make Trump right.
I don't think anyone wants to say that, especially not outloud.
Disobeying would be stupid. An officer, even a general, is not privy to all the intelligence provided to the President. For all the officer knows, NK is about to launch nukes.
The officer balks, NK launches nukes which could have been prevented, the officer is instantly one of the worst people to ever exist.
Intelligence services could explain everything to him in intricate detail, doesn't mean he understands or knows it once they are done. They literally have to give him summaries with his name in each paragraph just to make sure he reads the whole page. It's not intelligence's failures he's literally to stupid to read one page.
The only real secrets Potus has is in the present instance when Putin whispers in his ear.
Why take the low road, when there are plenty of good arguments to use instead. "Blarg, heeeeee's stooopid!" helps Trump in the long run.
Chaos is a ladder. Stop putting rungs on it.
For better or for worse, Trump is at least lucid enough to know to defer judgement of military actions to the SecDef, and Joint Chiefs. They would advise what to do, and Trump would use his authority to perform actions.
Disobeying would be stupid. An officer, even a general, is not privy to all the intelligence provided to the President. For all the officer knows, NK is about to launch nukes.
A USMC active duty Colonel argues in the official journal of the National Defense University that officers have the moral duty and the obligation by their commission and their oath to disobey a legal order from the President/Commander in Chief.
USMC Special Operations Commander Colonel Andrew L. Milburn argued in the journal that...
A survey conducted among students at the Marine Corps War College (MCWAR) in January 2010 represents a cross section of 20 senior field-grade officers from all Services and two foreign countries. Without exception, they agreed that there are circumstances under which they would disobey a lawful order. Their criteria vary little, as these excerpts illustrate:
* "If the officer cannot live with obeying the order, then he must disobey and accept the consequences."
* "When I cannot look at myself in the mirror afterwards."
* "When I deem the order to be immoral."
* "When it is going to lead to mission failure."
* "When it will get someone injured or killed needlessly."
* "When it will cause military or institutional disaster."
These comments reflect the view that the military professional has moral obligations more fundamental than obedience and loyalty to their leaders, civilian or military. Myers and Kohn imply that the term moral is too subjective to be defendable. However, I argue that the military profession is founded on clearly defined moral principles.
I use the term military professional to apply to military officers. I make this distinction based on the nature of the officer's professional military education, which focuses on developing an abstract body of knowledge; his code of ethics, which reflect the "special trust and confidence" conferred on him by the President and Congress in his commission; and his oath of office, which differs in an important aspect from the enlisted oath. These defining characteristics of the military profession impose on him obligations beyond obedience.
https://www.army.mil/article/47175/breaking-ranks-dissent-and-the-military-professional/
Colonel Milburn earned a B.A. in Philosophy from London University and a law degree from Polytechnic of Central London. He enlisted in USMC in 1987.
Colonel Milurn's philosophy of civilian-military relations would indicate the U.S. military would be justified to refuse an order by Potus Trump to initiate "first use" of nuclear weapons. While the U.S. does maintain its policy of executing a first use ("all options are on the table"), it likely would be a bad idea for a Potus Trump to be the first to implement the first use policy (since 1945).
Ne c'est pas?
A USMC active duty Colonel argues in the official journal of the National Defense University that officers have the moral duty and the obligation by their commission and their oath to disobey a legal order from the President/Commander in Chief.
USMC Special Operations Commander Colonel Andrew L. Milburn argued in the journal that...
A survey conducted among students at the Marine Corps War College (MCWAR) in January 2010 represents a cross section of 20 senior field-grade officers from all Services and two foreign countries. Without exception, they agreed that there are circumstances under which they would disobey a lawful order. Their criteria vary little, as these excerpts illustrate:
* "If the officer cannot live with obeying the order, then he must disobey and accept the consequences."
* "When I cannot look at myself in the mirror afterwards."
* "When I deem the order to be immoral."
* "When it is going to lead to mission failure."
* "When it will get someone injured or killed needlessly."
* "When it will cause military or institutional disaster."
These comments reflect the view that the military professional has moral obligations more fundamental than obedience and loyalty to their leaders, civilian or military. Myers and Kohn imply that the term moral is too subjective to be defendable. However, I argue that the military profession is founded on clearly defined moral principles.
I use the term military professional to apply to military officers. I make this distinction based on the nature of the officer's professional military education, which focuses on developing an abstract body of knowledge; his code of ethics, which reflect the "special trust and confidence" conferred on him by the President and Congress in his commission; and his oath of office, which differs in an important aspect from the enlisted oath. These defining characteristics of the military profession impose on him obligations beyond obedience.
https://www.army.mil/article/47175/breaking-ranks-dissent-and-the-military-professional/
Colonel Milburn earned a B.A. in Philosophy from London University and a law degree from Polytechnic of Central London. He enlisted in USMC in 1987.
Colonel Milurn's philosophy of civilian-military relations would indicate the U.S. military would be justified to refuse an order by Potus Trump to initiate "first use" of nuclear weapons. While the U.S. does maintain its policy of executing a first use ("all options are on the table"), it likely would be a bad idea for a Potus Trump to be the first to implement the first use policy (since 1945).
Ne c'est pas?
Those bolded "examples" are personal objections which might lead an officer to chose to diobey, but the bolded and underlined one offers a qualification that is key.
Military personnel have both a duty and a right to disobey an illegal order.
Unlawful orders (at least when I was in the service) include those that violate the laws of land warfare, the Geneva Convention, or run contrary to the Constitution.
But even then, all military personnel are subject to criminal charges under the Uniform Code of Military Justice Articles 90, 91, and 92.
Those are the consequences referred to in the bolded and underlined comment.
If you can't see he's as dumb as a bag if hammers by this point, you deserve him.
Trump sitting by his lonesome tweeting at 3 a.m can just as easily press the red button right there next to him.
It doesn't work like that. :lamo
A major problem with the rightwing is that they're almost always literal.
Trump however left literal behind long ago.
He went instead arse first into delusion.
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