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You are getting a bit pedantic about the origin and are avoiding the point. As a matter of fact one of the main reasons it was adopted was because at distance the Confederate flag was nearly indistinguishable from the flag of the Union, not a good thing with lots of powder smoke causing a fog of war . Regardless, the point remains that the CB flag came to represent those armies defending the Confederacy, and the Confederacy was at base a slave system, whereas the US purged this from itself, redeeming itself to some degree.
Personally, I really getting more and more disappointed with the direction your posts have taken on this matter. You used to be fairly accurate and to the (correct) point....but not as much lately.
The problem with that is the exact same one that we see with the issue of the "rebel flag", it represents only one perspective, a perspective that is attempting to speak for all people, for all those who were seceding. It doesn't recognize that not everyone felt that way.
It is just like when people say the goal of Christianity is to spread the word to absolutely everyone or that the goal of Islam is to convert all nonbelievers. Not everyone feels this way, even those within the religion.
Bullchit, the abolitionist movement continued to gain momentum from the beginning of the Union to 1861.The Union only "purged" itself of slavery in that it didn't want it to spread and was more than willing to allow it to die out on its own.
It probably would have taken longer than that, but this is all noise, still avoiding the point that rough was making, what the CFB represents. Even by this last bit, the Union, the citizens of the Union, were well on the way to abolishing slavery....it was not the cornerstone for the Union as it was most definitely so for the ConfederacyOnly after some of the Southern states threw their tantrum and declared themselves separate from the US, did the Union later decide that setting the slaves free would be to their advantage. Had those Southern states not seceded, slavery would have been legal in the US for at least another decade or so, likely longer as it slowly waited to die out.
Really? You think there would have been a greater toll than 1.1Million casualties and 620K lives if this had been ended through legislative process?Despite its horrible nature and causes (I'm not even for the whole states' rights thing), overall the Civil War itself turned out to likely have been better than simply having the tension build up even more.
No doubt, especially when they choose to ignore the brutality of the Confederate system, the cost of the war, the inherent racism, the belief structure that Blacks are inferior....you know, those things to be proud of.It is wrong to assume that a single object represented the same thing to all people. That flag represented many different things to many different people throughout the Civil War, and up to this day.
It doesn't represent only one perspective. It represents the main perspective of that group at the time. I understand that now, most people flying the confederate flag don't think it represents racism and probably aren't racist. But the argument that it's early origins can't be directly traced back to the idea that blacks are inferior is a lie. The by in large main goal of the confederacy is to ensure that they get to keep slaves and that black people continue to know their place so to speak. And to wave a flag that represents a movement that's main goal was that is silly. It's like waving around a nazi flag and saying "im not waving it cause I hate Jews, it's just that I'm German and proud of my heritage, and lots of brave men fought and died etc."
This idea that the confederate flag means "heritage" is a very new concept. Where I'm from, a generation ago, the confederate flag still stood for "the confederacy was right, we abhor the civil rights movement, we abhor desegregation, blacks are inferior by nature" etc.
Regardless, the point remains that the CB flag came to represent those armies defending the Confederacy, and the Confederacy was at base a slave system, whereas the US purged this from itself, redeeming itself to some degree.
Where did I say otherwise? Did I say some date prior....did I say any date at all? Did the Confederacy ever reject slavery? Have you ever posted anything accurate?False. Utterly and completely wrong.
The "United States" did not "purge" slavery until December 1864,
The decision came from what seemed to many white Virginians the unavoidable logic of the situation: Virginia was a slave state; the Republicans had announced their intention of limiting slavery; slavery was protected by the sovereignty of the state; an attack on that sovereignty by military force was an assault on the freedom of property and political representation that sovereignty embodied. When the federal government protected the freedom and future of slavery by recognizing the sovereignty of the states, Virginia's Unionists could tolerate the insult the Republicans represented; when the federal government rejected that sovereignty, the threat could no longer be denied even by those who loved the Union.The majority of Virginia was content with waiting out the war, despite being a slave state.
Where did I say otherwise? Did I say some date prior....did I say any date at all? Did the Confederacy ever reject slavery? Have you ever posted anything accurate?
As I said, it is impossible for you to be accurate, your analogy is inaccurate, you can't admit to your errors about what I say and you are just trolling. It is pointless to respond to you.No need to reject anything, when they lost the war and had emancipation shoved down their throat, if they like it or not.
That is like having a fight with your wife, and you beat her up because she does not agree with you. And now you are demanding that she actually agree with you as being right even as she is on the floor bleeding? Look bro, you beat her up, she is gonna do whatever you say... don't expect her to then agree with you and say you were right all along.
As I said, it is impossible for you to be accurate, your analogy is inaccurate, you can't admit to your errors about what I say and you are just trolling. It is pointless to respond to you.
Yea. That is why in the Voting Rights Act, some of the regions under Jurisdictional Restriction included states like California, New Hampshire, New York, Arizona, Michigan, and Alaska.
And let's not even get into the Klan history in Illinois.
How about stopping your projection onto the South, it does not nessicarily apply.
So you hate the American Flag as well? It is a symbol of treason also since we DID rebel against the British who founded the colonies. It also flew for 80 years over slavery, twice that over segregation. It also flew over the killings and camps "reservations" of Native Americans. And many other atrocities, such as 2 A-bombs going off over Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
Oh, by all means, go ahead and say that is not what the American Flag represents anymore. PLEASE make hypocritical statements.....
False. Utterly and completely wrong.
The "United States" did not "purge" slavery until December 1864, when the war was almost over. During almost all of the war, slavery was still legal in the United States of America.
Wow,can a person fail any worse then that?
Yes, the defenders of the treason flag do it with virtually every post.
Actually, I defend nothing.
You seem to forget, I am not political. I could not care less if somebody flies the Confederate Flag. No more then I care if they fly the Gay Pride Flag, the Black Panther Flag, the Communist Flag, or the SLA Flag.
I largely do not care. I only care about honesty and accuracy, and not politicizing, grandstanding, and stereotyping. And any time somebody stands up and says "This stands for that", they are generally stereotyping and I simply can not stand that. Say that anybody who flies the Gay Pride Flag is queer and I will also stand up and say that is wrong, or that anybody who flies the Communist Flag is in favor of the violent overthrow of the US Government.
Do not confuse simple de-politicization with anything other then what i say. If you want to politicize everything and just claim that anybody that does not agree with you is your enemy, feel free.
Just do not expect me to take you as seriously as I did before such a blatent opinionating and politicizing.
You claim you re not political, yet your posts say otherwise. I have sometimes agreed with you, but when you get on this right wing tangent you lose me. Saying you aren't political proves nothing. People who defend the Confederacy and the flying of the confederate flag in spite of what it represents are political. Deal with it or not.
it's the heritage of traitors and slave enablers, nothing more
oh, also sore losers
Actually, I defend nothing.
You seem to forget, I am not political. I could not care less if somebody flies the Confederate Flag. No more then I care if they fly the Gay Pride Flag, the Black Panther Flag, the Communist Flag, or the SLA Flag.
I largely do not care. I only care about honesty and accuracy, and not politicizing, grandstanding, and stereotyping. And any time somebody stands up and says "This stands for that", they are generally stereotyping and I simply can not stand that. Say that anybody who flies the Gay Pride Flag is queer and I will also stand up and say that is wrong, or that anybody who flies the Communist Flag is in favor of the violent overthrow of the US Government.
Do not confuse simple de-politicization with anything other then what i say. If you want to politicize everything and just claim that anybody that does not agree with you is your enemy, feel free.
Just do not expect me to take you as seriously as I did before such a blatent opinionating and politicizing.
Post of the day.
This Canadian sees the bars and stars as a part of US history, to ban it or hide it is to deny the war and the issues all together.
I am amused at this sudden attack on an American emblem, since we so often see flag of former enemies worn or used at demonstrations, the Hammer and Sickle was big in the 80's for the left to wield as a banner.
Confederate Flag Flying over South Carolina State House Sparks Controversy
Confederate flag flying over South Carolina State House sparks controversy on social media | abc13.com
Talk about not only untrue and inaccurate, but politically charged and deliberately staged. Notice the flag, it does indeed appear to be flying over the State House. And that image (or one almost like it) is what most people think of. But is it honest and accurate?
No.
This is how the flag actually appeared:
As part of a memorial erected to honor the fallen in the Civil War. It did not fly "over the State House", it was a distance away, on ground level, well below the State House.
Propaganda intended to create a response in the way the news outlets wanted. Yellow Journalism at it's finest, and the vast majority of people who bought into it had no idea they were being deliberately lied to.
But, but, but, they are in the right! It was on the grounds, so it might as well be over the State House itself! It stands for what we say it does, and nobody can tell me otherwise!
The continuing statements of the ignorant, bigoted, and stereotypists who think they somehow have the right to tell everybody else not only what to believe, but how to believe and they are right in all things.
Now notice, I do not deny that there are many who do indeed claim that the flag stands for their idiotic racist views, and rally behind it for segregation and subdjigation, but they are indeed the minority. Not the majority as many would have you believe.
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