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Is Fox News more reliable than the Atlantic?They weren't being transparent. They ****ed up.
If they were being transparent as you claim they would have briefed Fox News.
Is Fox News more reliable than the Atlantic?
What, in your opinion, makes Fox News more transparent than the Atlantic?
I've never heard that take before.
I'm reading that the Acting Chair of the Joint Chiefs was not a part of the chat and that, in fact, none of the military were included. That or they knew better than to participate.They used Signal because they are lazy, incompetent, or don’t know or care about established protocols for secure communications (or all of those.)
Consequently, when what those protocols are supposed to do aren’t used, a failure occurs and someone takes the blame. However, that person knows nothing will happen because nobody will charge them and if they miraculously got charged, the Fascist In Chief would pardon them. So, there is no incentive to following established protocols.
But why were they sharing highly sensitive information over a private messaging app rather than using secure channels? The most likely explanation is that they wanted to evade accountability: texts between government officials are supposed to remain part of the record, while Signal texts can be and in this case were set to disappear. As Phillips O’Brien notes, war planning aside, what the group chat reveals is top officials’ contempt for and hostility toward Europe; some of them opposed an operation against the Houthis because clearing the shipping lanes might help our (erstwhile?) allies.
So the disaster reflected both stupidity and bad intentions. And the same is true of other ongoing disasters, including the shockingly rapid collapse of the Social Security Administration.
Some people disagree. Some people want more transparency.military ops shouldn't be transparent.
Who would add someone to this kind of chat if they don't know who the number belongs to?You are ignoring something very important that Waltz said...that the contact in the Signal app had one person's name and, instead of their number, it had that reporter's number. Yes, Waltz is doing the right thing and taking full responsibility for this happening, but he knows HE didn't do that and you can be damned sure he's going to find out who did.
I would hate to be that person.
Ok, so should the administration only share stuff with news outlets that are "more favorable" to them, or should they also share with news outlets that are "less favorable" to them?its more favored by the current administration, not necessarily "more transparent".
LOL. Taking responsibility apparently means blaming some anonymous person they haven't found.Yes, Waltz is doing the right thing and taking full responsibility for this happening, but he knows HE didn't do that and you can be damned sure he's going to find out who did.
"some people"? no doubt. lol.Some people disagree. Some people want more transparency.
There is no level that will make everyone happy, for sure. Trump staff chose to be more transparent, and people who want less transparency will be unhappy.
That's totally fair, and a difference of perspective is totally a thing.
As this is inconvenient to @Mycroft i imagine it will be ignored. Poor guy, so triggered. Thoughts and prayers to him during this difficult time.
no, they shouldn't, i never said anything like that.Ok, so should the administration only share stuff with news outlets that are "more favorable" to them, or should they also share with news outlets that are "less favorable" to them?
Which would be more transparent?
Not openly, no. But there should be a record of communications made so if anything ever has to be investigated there is an archive of communications demonstrating how decisions were made and communicated. Communicating via commercial apps like Signal prevent that kind of transparency because those communications are not archived.not being incompetent would make me happy(ier).
military ops shouldn't be transparent.
well, sure, records should be kept, for possible future reference.Not openly, no. But there should be a record of communications made so if anything ever has to be investigated there is an archive of communications demonstrating how decisions were made and communicated. Communicating via commercial apps like Signal prevent that kind of transparency because those communications are not archived.
Needless to say, @Mycroft will ignore this as well.As usual, @Mycroft is lounging in a pool of willful ignorance.
Pentagon warned staffers against using Signal before White House chat leak
Bulletin sent on 18 March said Russian hackers could access messages as Trump officials now downplay blunderwww.google.com
But you just said:The Signal app isn't the problem. It is certified by all the government security agencies as being secure.
The problem is that someone manipulated the app and inserted false contact information into it.
I would hate to be that person. They are about to be in a world of hurt.
It’s over with. No harm. No foul. Get over it.
Why? Which is more transparent - sharing stuff with only favorable outlets who will only report what Trump wants, or sharing stuff with outlets that are unfavorable and will share the truth?no, they shouldn't, i never said anything like that.
but clearly if the trump administration was going to be more transparent, they would tend to choose outlets like fox news that they like, not the atlantic which they dont.
well, this is one step they took to be more transparent. I'm sure some people will be happy.of course they should be more transparent, and more transparent to all media, but that's not how they roll.
Exactly. I was in no way implying this kind of information should be openly shared unless part of an investigation which would carefully vet what is released and how.well, sure, records should be kept, for possible future reference.
It's a big deal to the radical indoctrinated hate filled left.But you just said:
Is it a big deal or not?
Walz admitted adding the reporter.Nope.
The Trump administration is, right now, engaged in finding out how a contact in the Signal app had one person's name...and Goldberg's number...and finding out who put that manipulated contact in Waltz's computer.
Some person they haven't found...yet.LOL. Taking responsibility apparently means blaming some anonymous person they haven't found.
Elvis?Some person they haven't found...yet.
Hoffa?Elvis?
So you're saying the radical left is going to put this unidentified (possibly imaginary) person in a "world of hurt"?It's a big deal to the radical indoctrinated hate filled left.
front page news on fox. lol.It's a big deal to the radical indoctrinated hate filled left.
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