Mike Johnson Says ICE Shooting a Priest Doesn’t Cross the Line

[CLAX1911]

Yeah. I do know how they get a warrant.

No you don't you watched an episode of law and order and think that's a law degree.

They have to show evidence of what they are searching for is in the residence.

That's moronic they have to show the evidence that they are searching for but can't have because of no warrant.

This is why you have no credibility

How do you think that they get a warrant?

They present probable cause/reasonable suspicion to a magistrate. The magistrate grants a warrant, a partial warrant or denies

It’s in all the articles that you conveniently don’t believe.

Liars articles that got their law degree from watching TV?

And for the rest of the prove it’s…

Fail as usual.

 

[Jezcoe]

That's moronic they have to show the evidence that they are searching for but can't have because of no warrant.

This is why you have no credibility

We don’t live in a country where a warrant can be obtained without evidence. Granted in a lot of cases the evidence can be flimsy… but there has to be some evidence.

They have to show that they have evidence that the person or material is is inside the domicile that they wish to search.

They present probable cause/reasonable suspicion to a magistrate. The magistrate grants a warrant, a partial warrant or denies

Which is what I said.

Where is the disagreement?

Fail as usual.

So do you think that they had probable cause to enter every apartment in the building?

 

[CLAX1911]

We don’t live in a country where a warrant can be obtained without evidence. Granted in a lot of cases the evidence can be flimsy… but there has to be some evidence.

They have to show that they have evidence that the person or material is is inside the domicile that they wish to search.


Which is what I said.

Where is the disagreement?

So do you think that they had probable cause to enter every apartment in the building?

Prove it.

 

[Jezcoe]

Prove it.

Prove what? That you think that they had probable cause to enter every apartment?

 

[Hamish Howl]

I like to point our stupid actions.

noice

 

[CLAX1911]

Prove what?

Any of your claims.

 

[Hamish Howl]

That's moronic they have to show the evidence that they are searching for but can't have because of no warrant.

This is why you have no credibility

Without probable cause, there is no warrant.

I realize this makes you mad, but it's the way it is.

 

[Jezcoe]

Any of your claims.

Proof has been provided but conveniently rejected because it is uncomfortable.

 

[CLAX1911]

Proof has been provided

Where? Just you caterwauling about how ignorant you are regarding how it works is just proof of your ignorance.

Show me constitutional law.

but conveniently rejected because it is uncomfortable.

It's rejected because it's uninformed opinion.

 

[Jezcoe]

Show me constitutional law.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It's rejected because it's uninformed opinion.

You rejected it because you said it is fake news.

 

[soap box]

Where? Just you caterwauling about how ignorant you are regarding how it works is just proof of your ignorance.

Show me constitutional law.

It's rejected because it's uninformed opinion.

Court scrutiny of ICE mounts as judge rules warrantless arrests violated order

Article Summary A federal judge ruled late Tuesday that Immigration and Customs Enforcement violated a federal consent decree by making

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"U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Cummings agreed with immigrant and civil rights groups that faulted ICE’s new policy of having agents carry blank warrant forms and fill them out at the scene of an arrest."

"DHS claimed it was targeting alleged members of a Venezuelan gang, but the chaotic raid and hourslong detentions extended to American citizens, who were primarily Black. According to news accounts of the incident, armed agents broke down doors at the 130-unit building, handcuffing dozens of adults and children alike with zip ties and detaining them in unmarked vans."

An ICE "warrant" is an administrative document that does not allow a legal search. If they knock on your door, ask to see the warrant. If it is singed by a judge in a courtroom that's a legal warrant. Administrative warrants are different, not signed by a judge, and not able to provide a search.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Where? Just you caterwauling about how ignorant you are regarding how it works is just proof of your ignorance.

Show me constitutional law.

It's rejected because it's uninformed opinion.

It's right in the constitution, my dude.

 

[rahl]

If you're in the restricted area and are told to leave then you leave.

He was on the sidewalk.

Trespassing is not covered by the 1st Amendment.

He wasn’t trespassing.

What is wrong with you? A pastor was shot in the head with a gas pellet for standing on a sidewalk praying. Why are you ok with illegal actions and assault coming from law enforcement?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Trespassing. Pepperball launched. Hit his head not face. He gets up and is walking around fine. Wearing a collar does not give you special privileges to trespass.

He was on the sidewalk.

You just like seeing Christian ministers get abused.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Zero tolerance.

Remember that thought.

You guys think you're going to stay in power forever?

 

[justoneman]

He was on the sidewalk.

You just like seeing Christian ministers get abused.

He absolutely was not on the sidewalk.

 

[Hamish Howl]

He absolutely was not on the sidewalk.

He was absolutely on the sidewalk.

Is there anyone you will not throw under the bus for your fat orange god?

 

[justoneman]

He was absolutely on the sidewalk.

Is there anyone you will not throw under the bus for your fat orange god?

Plain as day he is standing with both feet past the the sidewalk and on the driveway.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Plain as day he is standing with both feet past the the sidewalk and on the driveway.

Okay.

Obviously a threat, right? Use of force was justified?

Again, you'd throw Jesus himself into the chipper if your orange lop of shit demanded it.

 

[justoneman]

Okay.

Obviously a threat, right? Use of force was justified?

Again, you'd throw Jesus himself into the chipper if your orange lop of shit demanded it.

They are all told to not stand in the driveway. He is standing there intentionally. Having a collar does not allow you to trespass.

 

[Hamish Howl]

They are all told to not stand in the driveway. He is standing there intentionally. Having a collar does not allow you to trespass.

And simple trespass doesn't justify violence.

You just like it.

 

[justoneman]

And simple trespass doesn't justify violence.

You just like it.

FAFO.

 

[Questerr]

Because the moral condemnation falls on people who let this problem Fester now we have to deal with it. It's not going to be pretty. But cleaning up other people's messes rarely is

The government is forced to shoot pastors in the head for stepping on grass?

 

[Questerr]

It's almost like they're operated by the same group of people.

The same people who operate AP operate the BBC? Source for this claim?

 

[Hamish Howl]

FAFO.

Yeah, so you're basically a full-on authoritarian fan of the gestapo?

Am I reading you right?

Because here's the thing: You People won't be in power forever. Should we begin the Find Out phase then?

Because I'm okay with that if you're okay with that.