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Here’s Brown today under questioning by Rep. Steve Buyer:
BUYER: So I’d like to know why did the president’s federal emergency assistance declaration of August 27th not include the parishes of Orleans, Jefferson and Plaquemines?
BROWN: …f a governor does not request a particular county or a particular parish, that’s not included in the request.
BUYER: All right.
Orleans Parish is New Orleans. I was listening to my colleague, Mr. Jefferson’s, questions about when they talked about, you know, they asked for this assistance for three days and then president responded the very next day, not the day that it was made — the request — but the governor of Louisiana actually excluded New Orleans from the president’s federal emergency assistance declaration?
BROWN: Again, Congressman, we looked at the request.The governors make the request by…
BUYER: Let me ask this. Since you went through the exercise in Pam, was that not shocking to you that the governor would excluded New Orleans from the declaration?
BROWN: Yes.
BUYER: When that request came in excluding these three parishes, did you question it?
BROWN: We questioned it. But I made the decision that we were going to go ahead and move assets in regardless because we have the ability to add those parishes…
"Mr. Brown further suggested that I did not order an evacuation of New Orleans until Sunday, Aug. 28. In fact, the evacuation was ordered on the morning of Saturday, August 27," she said. "Such falsehoods and misleading statements, made under oath before Congress, are shocking. It clearly demonstrates the appalling degree to which Mr. Brown is either out of touch with the truth or reality. Today's hearing only supports the need for a thorough, non-partisan investigation of this event”.
aps said:His commiting perjury does not surprise me--it's what all of Bush's people do. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld, you name it, they have lied.
BTW, great research, SD!
SixStringHero said:Can your really prove such a claim that is devoid of any facts?
Directed at aps.
SouthernDemocrat said:Look no doubt about, the Local and State governments did not do a great job. However, the Federal Government did a terrible job. So of course, the radical right is trying to swift boat the state and local authorities. A lot of it as we can see, is simply not true at all, but they know from experience that the idea is simply to throw so much crap at the other side that there is no way they can keep up with it. The right wing propaganda machine is impressive to say the least. So really, I really think like, well whats the point, you can refute their crap, like I just did, but in the time it took you to refute it, they only come up with more lies. The fact is, the mouthpieces for the some of the more radical right like Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter are not very decent and honest people. (thats not to say that Micheal Moore is either).
SixStringHero said:Can your really prove such a claim that is devoid of any facts?
Directed at aps.
SouthernDemocrat said:I sourced my entire rebuttal. Brown said under oath before congress that the gov of LA excluded New Orleans in its request for a Federal Disaster declaration.
I posted his testimony.
I then posted a link to the actual request that proves that Brown lied under oath.
What else do you want?
Mike Brown also lied under oath when he said that the Governor of Louisiana did not order an evacuation until Sunday morning before the Hurricane. That was yet another fabrication. The governor actually ordered an evacuation the Saturday Morning before the Hurricane.
Quote:
"Mr. Brown further suggested that I did not order an evacuation of New Orleans until Sunday, Aug. 28. In fact, the evacuation was ordered on the morning of Saturday, August 27," she said. "Such falsehoods and misleading statements, made under oath before Congress, are shocking. It clearly demonstrates the appalling degree to which Mr. Brown is either out of touch with the truth or reality. Today's hearing only supports the need for a thorough, non-partisan investigation of this event”.
SouthernDemocrat said:Its amazing what one can learn from the actual news instead of just Limbaugh and right wing rags like Newsmax.
Mike Brown should now be in hand cuffs.
The following is an excerpt from his testimony before congress yesterday:
A total fabrication on Mike Brown’s part. In her request to the President to declare a Federal Disaster the governor of Louisiana asked that a Federal Disaster be declared for all the south eastern parishes.
The full text of the letter is here:
http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=976
Also, this crap about President Bush declaring a Federal Disaster before the Hurricane. Yeah that’s true, BECAUSE THE GOVERNER OF LOUSIANA REQUESTED THAT HE DO SO BEFORE THE HURRICANE.
Mike Brown also lied under oath when he said that the Governor of Louisiana did not order an evacuation until Sunday morning before the Hurricane. That was yet another fabrication. The governor actually ordered an evacuation the Saturday Morning before the Hurricane.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/09/28/news/storms.php
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Yes, but she didn't specifically ask the president for the national guard to come in and help with the relief effort I'm under the impression that the Governor has to specifically ask for such assistance. Furthermore; I'm not apologizing for Brown but Blanco was way more at fault in this situation, as the head of FEMA Brown should have done a better job with the relief effort, however, the soul responsibility for the levees not being up to spec is that of those on the state and local level. Bush gave more money than Clinton to get the levees up to snuff so my question where the hell did all this money go? Just face it the mayor and Governor were just as incompetent as Brown.
Will there be any sort of consequence for lying? From what I have seen so far it seems the Republicans doing the questioning are unimpressed with Browns actions and even less impressed with his attitude.SouthernDemocrat said:However, none of this has anything to do with the premise of the thread. That Brown did indeed lie to the United States congress.
GySgt said:OMG, you people are pathetic!! "Right wing this", "Left Wing that", "stupid Cons", "stupid libs", "impeach Bush", "bush lied", "perjury", "Bush stole the election", "partisan this and that", "The governement hates blacks"....etc.
Get the **** over it already. You want to know why people aren't coming here to this thread except whiners? Because people of all political sides are fed up with it. I would love an independent to get elected next. That would be a great smack in their faces.
Besides, I thought it was OK to commit perjury now.
The only one I see whining is you.GySgt said:OMG, you people are pathetic!! "Right wing this", "Left Wing that", "stupid Cons", "stupid libs", "impeach Bush", "bush lied", "perjury", "Bush stole the election", "partisan this and that", "The governement hates blacks"....etc.
Get the **** over it already. You want to know why people aren't coming here to this thread except whiners? Because people of all political sides are fed up with it. I would love an independent to get elected next. That would be a great smack in their faces.
SouthernDemocrat said:The man lied in front of congress. If you look at the testimony I posted, the Republican congressman who was questioning him knew he was lying. I never said the thread was about ideology, only that a lot of this "swift boating" of the state and local authorities is not holding up once the actual facts come out.
Secondly, lying about a blow job is a different matter entirely.
I am with you though, I would love to see an independent get elected. It will never happen though. What is the saying, in a democracy you get the government that you deserve.
GySgt said:Well, I don't know...according to the same law you are parading around...lying is lying.
SouthernDemocrat said:I know that, however, common sense ought to prevail. Whether or not the president cheats on his old lady really has no affect on my life at all. Whether or not the FEMA director lies before congress does.
GySgt said:The "lie" was perjury. It doesn't matter why he lied. And the law should not play favorites.
If "you" commited perjury, you would be disciplined.
If "I" commited perjury, I would pay.
Presidents and Government officials should be extended the same response. It has nothing to do with partisan BS (Post #11).
SouthernDemocrat said:You are right. However, I don't think that Americans want their elected officials investigating the sexual relationships of other elected officials. Clinton's approval ratings during the Lewinsky scandal were proof of that as they were still the highest of any president at that point in their presidency since FDR.
When we should be concerned as Americans is when a government official is questioned before congress on government matters and lies.
SouthernDemocrat said:Also, this crap about President Bush declaring a Federal Disaster before the Hurricane. Yeah that’s true, BECAUSE THE GOVERNER OF LOUSIANA REQUESTED THAT HE DO SO BEFORE THE HURRICANE.
SouthernDemocrat said:Mike Brown also lied under oath when he said that the Governor of Louisiana did not order an evacuation until Sunday morning before the Hurricane. That was yet another fabrication. The governor actually ordered an evacuation the Saturday Morning before the Hurricane.
SouthernDemocrat said:"Mr. Brown further suggested that I did not order an evacuation of New Orleans until Sunday, Aug. 28. In fact, the evacuation was ordered on the morning of Saturday, August 27," she said. "Such falsehoods and misleading statements, made under oath before Congress, are shocking. It clearly demonstrates the appalling degree to which Mr. Brown is either out of touch with the truth or reality. Today's hearing only supports the need for a thorough, non-partisan investigation of this event”.
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