Migrant Crises: Germany Heads For 1M Asylum Seekers

[truthatallcost]

Germany has registered 964,574 new asylum-seekers in the first 11 months of the year, putting it on course for more than a million in 2015.
The number of migrants arriving has not slowed despite the winter cold, with a record high of 206,101 in November.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in August that the country expected 800,000 asylum-seekers over the year.
Documents leaked in October suggested the government was privately anticipating the arrival of up to 1.5m.
Germany has registered more asylum-seekers than any other nation in Europe, although at about 1% of its population, less per capita than several smaller nations.
Registered asylum seekers are not always accepted however, and rates of success vary from country to country. Fewer than 10% of applicants last year in Hungary - which has one of the highest shares of asylum-seekers in Europe - resulted in a positive decision.
The rate in Germany was 42%, while in Sweden - which registered the highest number of applications per capita - it was 77%. Across the EU, the success rate about 45%.
The number of arrivals in Germany so far this year is four times the total for all of 2014. The figures for November do not contain a breakdown by nationality, but in previous months Syrians, for whom Germany has adopted an open-door policy, have been the largest group at around a third.
The country looks set to receive less than a top estimate of 1.5m reported in October by German newspaper Bild, citing leaked government documents. A spokesman for the government denied any knowledge of the document.


Migrant crisis: Germany heads for 1m asylum-seekers in 2015 - BBC News

 

[truthatallcost]

So far the invasion has gone pretty peaceably. The only time a million people invaded Germany and not even a shot was fired. Progress!

 

[Ray410]

So far the invasion has gone pretty peaceably. The only time a million people invaded Germany and not even a shot was fired. Progress!

Shots haven't been fired......yet.

Shots weren't fired in France until they were.

 

[Chagos]

So far the invasion has gone pretty peaceably. The only time a million people invaded Germany and not even a shot was fired. Progress!

Errhh, if I may correct that, not the only time.

From 1960 onwards (up til 1973) some 2,6 million guest workers "invaded" Germany (West).

Some 13 million deemed German by everyone but the (West) Germans, who deemed them as "Pollacks", invaded in the years immediately following 1945.

Another 4 million followed in later years, reasonable deemed to be Romanian, Czechs, Bulgarians etc. but techically of German ethnic roots.

Not to mention what re-unification brought, not everyone staying in the former GDR.

Today "furriners" constitute around 7 million of the population, none of them in the figures above except for guest workers that stayed and, of course, their descendants.

All it takes is practice.

 

[Chagos]

Shots haven't been fired......yet.

Shots weren't fired in France until they were.

Don't overdo your means by projecting onto that which you know little to nothing about.

 

[Ray410]

Don't overdo your means by projecting onto that which you know little to nothing about.

Do you stay current on geopolitical trends and current news events at all?

Your post would seem to indicate that you wish to project some great knowledge of a deeper, meaningful truth, but yet you post insults instead of substance, which simply identifies your post as meaningless silliness.

 

[Natan]

From 1960 onwards (up til 1973) some 2,6 million guest workers "invaded" Germany (West).

Turks are muslims, but not Arabs and hence not as problematic with respect to potential terrorism and destroying the welfare state.

Some 13 million deemed German by everyone but the (West) Germans, who deemed them as "Pollacks", invaded in the years immediately following 1945. Another 4 million followed in later years, reasonable deemed to be Romanian, Czechs, Bulgarians etc. but techically of German ethnic roots. Not to mention what re-unification brought, not everyone staying in the former GDR. Today "furriners" constitute around 7 million of the population, none of them in the figures above except for guest workers that stayed and, of course, their descendants. All it takes is practice.

All it takes is the native population being numerous and employed enough to generate jobs and benefits for a minority. Once the roles are reversed and majority becomes minority and vice versa, the system will crash.

 

[Chagos]

Do you stay current on geopolitical trends and current news events at all?.........

like by living in the thick of it?

Sure.

As for the rest of your above, your brilliant analysis of France says it all. Congratulations on astuteness that generates such pearls of wisdom.

Posting a silliness, in case you're interested, and then accusing others of it, is called projection. Don't worry, a merely mild psychological and cognitive disorder not really meriting treatment.

 

[Chagos]

Turks are muslims, but not Arabs and hence not as problematic with respect to potential terrorism and destroying the welfare state.

And you know this how?

All it takes is the native population being numerous and employed enough to generate jobs and benefits for a minority. Once the roles are reversed and majority becomes minority and vice versa, the system will crash.

AAAhh, Belgium.

:lamo:

 

[Ray410]

like by living in the thick of it?

Sure.

As for the rest of your above, your brilliant analysis of France says it all. Congratulations on astuteness that generates such pearls of wisdom.

Posting a silliness, in case you're interested, and then accusing others of it, is called projection. Don't worry, a merely mild psychological and cognitive disorder not really meriting treatment.

Living in "the thick of it" with a computer, huh?

I'm going to let it go. I just don't see anything in your posts to respond to.

 

[Chagos]

I'm going to let it go. I just don't see anything in your posts to respond to.

Wise.

 

[Natan]

And you know this how?

Know what specifically? Belgium is actually a semi correct answer, while Germany has mostly Turkish, Belgium has both Moroccans and Turkish. In most cities in Belgium, more Moroccans than Turkish, in my city Ghent, unusually way more Turkish than Moroccans. Belgian crime statistics also show (or showed, when they became a political hot issue) who is more problematic than who.

AAAhh, Belgium. :lamo:

How is "aaaah, Belgium" an argument to be followed by hysterical laughter?

 

[Chagos]

Know what specifically? Belgium is actually a semi correct answer, while Germany has mostly Turkish, Belgium has both Moroccans and Turkish. In most cities in Belgium, more Moroccans than Turkish, in my city Ghent, unusually way more Turkish than Moroccans. Belgian crime statistics also show (or showed, when they became a political hot issue) who is more problematic than who.


How is "aaaah, Belgium" an argument to be followed by hysterical laughter?

You just simply gotta be an outsider to appreciate that one.

 

[Natan]

You just simply gotta be an outsider to appreciate that one.

While we are a failed state to be mocked, there are lessons to be learned from failures. It seems some people and some countries do not learn from the failures of others and are bound to repeat them.

 

[Roadvirus]

Not a milestone to be proud of.

 

[Natan]

Meanwhile Afghanistan and Pakistan are refusing to take back any "refugees". Merkel is an idiot.

 

[Chagos]

While we are a failed state to be mocked, there are lessons to be learned from failures. It seems some people and some countries do not learn from the failures of others and are bound to repeat them.

The mockery was not intended to be malicious.

 

[Natan]

The mockery was not intended to be malicious.

I wouldn't have issues even if it was.

 

[Chagos]

I wouldn't have issues even if it was.

I've always enjoyed Belgium (my stays there). Worked in Brussels for a one year stretch, later split my time between Bruxelles and Düsseldorf (Mo-Wed here, rest of the week there, or vice versa) for another two years.

Anvers much, Bruges, Gaand and Liege.

 

[Natan]

Anvers much, Bruges, Gand and Liege.

The first three are in the Dutch part yet spelled in French. I will have to kill you.

 

[Chagos]

The first three are in the Dutch part yet spelled in French. I will have to kill you.

Thought that would have you skipping :mrgreen:

Actually it's that Brel person humming in my head.

Although I indeed don't recall him ever having sung anything on Antwerpen.

 

[JANFU]

Know what specifically? Belgium is actually a semi correct answer, while Germany has mostly Turkish, Belgium has both Moroccans and Turkish. In most cities in Belgium, more Moroccans than Turkish, in my city Ghent, unusually way more Turkish than Moroccans. Belgian crime statistics also show (or showed, when they became a political hot issue) who is more problematic than who.


How is "aaaah, Belgium" an argument to be followed by hysterical laughter?

Up till a tad ago. you had 19 different polices dept in Brussels. Now that is down to 6 police zones if I recall correctly.
NY City, far larger has one.
Police communication and resources, well it works along ethnic lines and such, does it not?

Molenbeek: main problems and 4 suggestions to solve them

2. "Scrap the 6 Brussels police zones and make them one"

The Brussels Region has as many as 6 different police zones at present. The cooperation between the 19 Burgomasters in Brussels is not perfect. Experts suggest to make it one big police zone with a centralised management. This would improve both capacity and functioning. "In the area of security, Brussels is the perfect example of organised chaos", Bonte told De Morgen.

Security expert Brice De Ruyver said "a merger of the 6 police forces would be the best solution. This would create a police force with a fantastic capacity of 5,000 policemen."

How can you track terrorists when your police force is basically dysfunctional in cooperation and action, lack proper intelligence resources and even basic equipment is scarce.

Reason they move to Brussels.


Belgium is a failed state – POLITICO

Those failures are perhaps one part politics and government; one part police and justice; one part fiscal and economic. In combination they created the vacuum that is being exploited by jihadi terrorists.

Belgium has the trappings of western political structures, but in practice those structures are flawed and have long been so. The academics Kris Deschouwer and Lieven De Winter gave a succinct, authoritative account of the development of political corruption and clientelism in an essay published back in 1998 as part of the piquantly titled book “Où va la Belgique?” (Whither Belgium?)

 

[JANFU]

Meanwhile Afghanistan and Pakistan are refusing to take back any "refugees". Merkel is an idiot.

We had an issue with 2 convicted in Canada. Pakistan was refusing to accept their return, it was settled after a number of months. Govts should make it clear, refusing to accept tier return will result in cutting/ suspending all aid and halt all immigration/ travel visas, and the country would be listed by Foreign Affairs as one that is and has a high danger probability. It just has to be whispered by one to the others ear. I am sure they would cease being a problem.

 

[Natan]

Compilation of some information of an article in Die Zeit, Google translated and corrected somewhat against the most atrocious English.

Data of the OECD are available on the education of in a total 81 countries, among them countries like Syria or Albania, from which currently many refugees originate. Taking the results of the international student assessments Pisa and TIMSS of 2011 - so for now 18-year-olds - a staggering picture emerges: In Syria, 65 percent of students do not progress beyond what the OECD defines as basic skills. In Albania, the rate stands at 59 percent - compared with 16 percent in Germany.

What does this mean? That two-thirds of students in Syria can read and write only in a very limited way and can only solve simple arithmetic problems. That means that these students, even if they have learned German in Germany, are hardly able to follow school life. The results are clear: Syrian eighth graders in middle school are five years behind their peers in German schools on the subject matter.

The argument has been made that perhaps the refugees who come to Germany, are on average better educated than the average at home. While this is conceivable, it is not likely. Older figures from the German Federal Employment Agency show that about two thirds of asylum seekers from the war-torn countries have no vocational qualification training. It has also been claimed that it is a big advantage that more than half of the refugees are under 25 and therefore at an age where they could still get an education.

This is however a big question as two thirds of young Syrians must be regarded as functionally illiterate in accordance with international educational standards and the necessary training for local businesses is mostly missing. Germans should prepare that the majority of young refugees would fail on a three-year-long full training with a high proportion. According to Chamber of Commerce of Munich and Upper Bavaria, 70 percent of trainees from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, who have started lessons two years ago, have already canceled this again. That is why more emphasis should be placed on practical skills and less on theoretical foundations. There are already such professions as nursing assistants. The same must be possible for masons as well as in other industries. There is a need for more one-year qualifications - with the possibility to extend later to a full education.

Some also call to suspend the minimum wage of 8.50 euros for refugees as a useful integration measure. The reasoning goes that if the Germans want the refugees to be integrated into their society and labor market, they must be pragmatic and the refugee labor law should not become equal with long-term unemployed.

One may ask, what about the very young, the three, five or ten years old refugee children? Their prospects are much better. But only if the Germans do better than in previous waves of immigration. Research shows that young children learn the language fastest when they are thrown into the deep end and have daily verbal exchanges with children without an immigrant background. Despite the influx of refugees, the school system would thus not be overwhelmed if ghettoization is avoided and the asylum seekers would be distributed evenly among the municipalities, [color]such that even in the case of a million permanent refugees in every other class or day care group there would be only one additional child refugee. This is not impossible.[/color]

About ten percent of the older ones are university graduates. And two-thirds have no professional qualification. In Germany the proportion of low-skilled workers is 14 percent and despite the excellent economic situation and speaking native German, one in five of them are unemployed.

What I see happening realistically is that it is impossible to spread immigrants around sufficiently such that their children can avoid ghettoization and learn the language properly and many of the elder ones either become unemployed due to low skills and lack of proper German or that if some of German business leaders get their way (to be doubted) they'll get to work for scraps and resent their fate. But that's just me.

 

[JANFU]

Compilation of some information of an article in Die Zeit, Google translated and corrected somewhat against the most atrocious English.

Data of the OECD are available on the education of in a total 81 countries, among them countries like Syria or Albania, from which currently many refugees originate. Taking the results of the international student assessments Pisa and TIMSS of 2011 - so for now 18-year-olds - a staggering picture emerges: In Syria, 65 percent of students do not progress beyond what the OECD defines as basic skills. In Albania, the rate stands at 59 percent - compared with 16 percent in Germany.

What does this mean? That two-thirds of students in Syria can read and write only in a very limited way and can only solve simple arithmetic problems. That means that these students, even if they have learned German in Germany, are hardly able to follow school life. The results are clear: Syrian eighth graders in middle school are five years behind their peers in German schools on the subject matter.

The argument has been made that perhaps the refugees who come to Germany, are on average better educated than the average at home. While this is conceivable, it is not likely. Older figures from the German Federal Employment Agency show that about two thirds of asylum seekers from the war-torn countries have no vocational qualification training. It has also been claimed that it is a big advantage that more than half of the refugees are under 25 and therefore at an age where they could still get an education.

This is however a big question as two thirds of young Syrians must be regarded as functionally illiterate in accordance with international educational standards and the necessary training for local businesses is mostly missing. Germans should prepare that the majority of young refugees would fail on a three-year-long full training with a high proportion. According to Chamber of Commerce of Munich and Upper Bavaria, 70 percent of trainees from Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq, who have started lessons two years ago, have already canceled this again. That is why more emphasis should be placed on practical skills and less on theoretical foundations. There are already such professions as nursing assistants. The same must be possible for masons as well as in other industries. There is a need for more one-year qualifications - with the possibility to extend later to a full education.

Some also call to suspend the minimum wage of 8.50 euros for refugees as a useful integration measure. The reasoning goes that if the Germans want the refugees to be integrated into their society and labor market, they must be pragmatic and the refugee labor law should not become equal with long-term unemployed.

One may ask, what about the very young, the three, five or ten years old refugee children? Their prospects are much better. But only if the Germans do better than in previous waves of immigration. Research shows that young children learn the language fastest when they are thrown into the deep end and have daily verbal exchanges with children without an immigrant background. Despite the influx of refugees, the school system would thus not be overwhelmed if ghettoization is avoided and the asylum seekers would be distributed evenly among the municipalities, [color]such that even in the case of a million permanent refugees in every other class or day care group there would be only one additional child refugee. This is not impossible.[/color]

About ten percent of the older ones are university graduates. And two-thirds have no professional qualification. In Germany the proportion of low-skilled workers is 14 percent and despite the excellent economic situation and speaking native German, one in five of them are unemployed.

What I see happening realistically is that it is impossible to spread immigrants around sufficiently such that their children can avoid ghettoization and learn the language properly and many of the elder ones either become unemployed due to low skills and lack of proper German or that if some of German business leaders get their way (to be doubted) they'll get to work for scraps and resent their fate. But that's just me.

Posted in Germany from 85 thru 91, lived in apt buildings, where all were German. Had no interest in meeting Canadians, as I would see enough of them on my return.
Germans hated the Turks. Went back for a visit, few days, in 99, not much had changed.
Germans have a very strict society with traditions and rules that many in NA would disagree with. Myself I loved the place. Small & crowded was the downside.