Microsoft will give away software to guard U.S. voting machines

[pamak]

No, it does not contradict your quote. The state is allotted a total equal to the number of senators plus the number of Representatives. But the electors are not, except in Nebraska and Main, tied to congressional districts. Maybe educate yourself a bit on the topic. A gerrymandered-as-hell district is meaningless as it is, for most states, the winner of total votes in the state who wins the electors. You can have a gerrymandered district that looks like a Rorschach test - doesn't matter when it comes to the actual electoral victor in the state (which, again, comes from the total votes, not by congressional district)

You missed the point. So, now my turn to educate you:

The conversation here was about the CENSUS, not gerrymandering! The CENSUS counts the number of "people" to determine the apportionment of representatives for each state. The number of representatives in the House is fixed, so if according to the census a state gains more population relative to another state, it may also gain more House representatives in relation to another state which means that it may also gain more congressional districts. Thus, a CENSUS which undercounts people in certain states will change the apportionment of representatives among states and will CERTAINLY affect Presidential elections even if there is NO geryymadering.

No go back to read your constitution....

 

[haymarket]

Amazing how that racist Donald Trump has an African American unemployment almost 2% points lower than what our First African American President generated and it didn't take 9.3 trillion in debt to get their! 6% African American Unemployment and a full 2 point reduction in the U-6 is why you radicals are focusing on personal issues because you have no intellectual issues to debt. Politics of personal destruction are why the left is going to get their asses handed to them in 2020 on the national stage

The Dems did extremely well in the latest election and - as I have recently seen the language used - handed their asses to Republicans.

Not at all is it amazing. He merely inherited a winning team that was already in first place. He is the Tom Monaghan of Presidents.

 

[Gondwanaland]

You missed the point. So, now my turn to educate you:

The conversation here was about the CENSUS, not gerrymandering! The CENSUS number of "people" determines the apportionment of representatives for each state. The number of representatives in the House is fixed, so if according to the census a state gains more population relative to another state, it may also gain more House representatives in relation to another state which means that it may also gain more congressional districts. Thus, a CENSUS which undercounts people in certain states will change the apportionment of representatives among states and will CERTAINLY affect Presidential elections even if there is NO geryymadering.

No go back to read your constitution....

Actually the conversation is about voting machines, to be quite accurate, you're the one that got off on gerrymandering (and yes, indeed, I replied to a post about gerrymandering, my dear.

 

[haymarket]

Because you spend 24/7 here supporting that failed ideology never addressing or admitting failure on any issue.

Again - why would any citizen take or accept responsibility for what happens to a political party? That is so typical of the outright nonsense you post here.

 

[haymarket]

Nor do I have the obligation to disprove what someone else said.

The only obligation you have is for your own words. That such things happen "all the time" is your own statement in your own post 172. And now you run from it like a lamb trying to flee from the slaughter.

 

[haymarket]

Democrats think all republicans are racist. So what? If democrats support government enforcement of abortion laws, unchecked illegal immigration, homosexual acceptance, high taxes, waste of government funds on global warming nonsense, and things like that, then democrats are right, republicans do not support their group think ideas.

I only accuse people as racists who have demonstrated their own racism. And that would start with Donald Trump who has a very long and disgusting history of it - as I have provided you.

 

[haymarket]

Any services I get from the gov't I pay taxes for those services, apparently that is a foreign concept to you understanding the taxes you pay and their purpose.

Really? Please present a listing of what you pay to the government and the value of all the government services you get and lets see if you have paid for them. Back up your claims with facts.

 

[pamak]

Actually the conversation is about voting machines, to be quite accurate, you're the one that got off on gerrymandering (and yes, indeed, I replied to a post about gerrymandering, my dear.

I was not the one who talked about gerrymandering in this thread. You confuse me with somebody else. I am just setting the record straight that CENSUS results affect presidential elections even when there is no gerrymandering.

 

[MauiMan]

Top one- 5 million jobs in 2 years, employment from 152 million to 157 million and part time for economic reason employment 5.7 million to 4.3 million

U-6 Rate down a full 2% from what Obama left us with

2 trillion dollars in GDP growth with 7 interest rate hikes.

Want me to continue? Tell me what Democrat is going to enhance those numbers?

Trump inherited one of the longest bull markets in American history. Which began in March of 2009. Who had just began his presidency in March of 2009? He inherited a real mess from Bush.

When Trump took office, Republicans passed a tax cut that was unnecessary, which further stimulated growth and caused the Fed to have to hike rates to slow it down. Trump had very little to do with he tax cut, BTW. Any Republican President would have signed it into law. The real driver of the tax cut was Paul Ryan (who is no Trump fan).

Now we have Trump’s trade war which is hurting Americans—especially farmers, but it’s been damaging to us and the rest of the world.

Trump, of course, takes credit for anything good, and blames others for anything bad. Our mistake is to believe him rather than get information from sources other than him.

 

[Conservative]

The Dems did extremely well in the latest election and - as I have recently seen the language used - handed their asses to Republicans.

Not at all is it amazing. He merely inherited a winning team that was already in first place. He is the Tom Monaghan of Presidents.

The Democrats did well is specific radical districts certainly not on a statewide basis as they lost seats in the Senate. Seems that actual results are a foreign concept to you so why don't you try answering the direct data posted. How can a racist President generate 6% unemployment and 7%U-6?

 

[Conservative]

Again - why would any citizen take or accept responsibility for what happens to a political party? That is so typical of the outright nonsense you post here.

So tell us who are you supporting in 2020 and why? You spend 24/7 here demonizing Trump based upon past history not the results generated. This thread is a perfect example of your problem, you believe Russia stole the election from Hillary when the reality is Hillary lost the election. Russia didn't change my vote for Trump, Hillary did

 

[haymarket]

The Democrats did well is specific radical districts certainly not on a statewide basis as they lost seats in the Senate. Seems that actual results are a foreign concept to you so why don't you try answering the direct data posted. How can a racist President generate 6% unemployment and 7%U-6?

Do you know how many seats were up in the Senate and how many were in GOP hands and how many were in Democrat hands in 2018?

The fact is that ALL of the 435 seats were up in the House and the TOP had their asses handed to them in a massive repudiation of Republican government.

What does a racist president have to do with unemployment figures?

 

[Conservative]

Really? Please present a listing of what you pay to the government and the value of all the government services you get and lets see if you have paid for them. Back up your claims with facts.

You made the claim that I the gov't provided me which you seem to believe I didn't pay for. You list those services, your claim your proof required. You continue to show you have no idea what taxes you pay or their purposes.

 

[haymarket]

So tell us who are you supporting in 2020 and why? You spend 24/7 here demonizing Trump based upon past history not the results generated. This thread is a perfect example of your problem, you believe Russia stole the election from Hillary when the reality is Hillary lost the election. Russia didn't change my vote for Trump, Hillary did

I will support ANY Democrat who runs against Trump and Trumpkins.

Yes, Clinton lost the Electoral College and did it with Russian assistance on behalf of Trump. Trump also got a big assist from Comey in the final two weeks of the election with million voting. She made mistakes and paid for them.

 

[Conservative]

Trump inherited one of the longest bull markets in American history. Which began in March of 2009. Who had just began his presidency in March of 2009? He inherited a real mess from Bush.

When Trump took office, Republicans passed a tax cut that was unnecessary, which further stimulated growth and caused the Fed to have to hike rates to slow it down. Trump had very little to do with he tax cut, BTW. Any Republican President would have signed it into law. The real driver of the tax cut was Paul Ryan (who is no Trump fan).

Now we have Trump’s trade war which is hurting Americans—especially farmers, but it’s been damaging to us and the rest of the world.

Trump, of course, takes credit for anything good, and blames others for anything bad. Our mistake is to believe him rather than get information from sources other than him.

The bull market doesn't represent what Trump inherited, he inherited declining GDP dollar growth which you want to ignore. Tax cuts have not only paid for themselves but benefited the American taxpayers. You cannot give a tax cut to people who don't pay FIT? You keep buying the leftwing spin, now prove it?

 

[Conservative]

I will support ANY Democrat who runs against Trump and Trumpkins.

Sure you do simply because of the D, not because of the policies, thanks for proving the point you are a partisan liberal hack who doesn't even care about results and would turn this country back over to liberals who gave us the worst recovery from a recession in modern history and bought your vote with handouts.

 

[haymarket]

You made the claim that I the gov't provided me which you seem to believe I didn't pay for. You list those services, your claim your proof required. You continue to show you have no idea what taxes you pay or their purposes.

I have no idea if you paid or not. That is the issue. You claim you did. So the responsibility is upon your and only you.

Simply present your tax payments and a listing of all the government services you received and lets see if your tax payments covered the bill.

Do it.

 

[pamak]

Actually the conversation is about voting machines, to be quite accurate, you're the one that got off on gerrymandering (and yes, indeed, I replied to a post about gerrymandering, my dear.

Missed that...

No! You are trying to mislead us.
The quote of yours I challenged was not addressing gerrymandering my dear..
It was directed against a comment by another poster about the census results, and you made the claim that they cannot affect presidential elections. THIS is why I called your BS!

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https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...rd-u-s-voting-machines-16.html#post1070361632


Originally Posted by HumblePi

The outcome of the census plays a large part in determining electoral districts in the States. The census is directly related to political representation, because the census forms the basis for how political districts are drawn.

Originally Posted by Gondwanaland
But has nothing to do with the actual election of the President as only Maine and Nebraska tie their electors to congressional districts.

The quote you addressed (and thus your comment) was CLEARLY about the census and not about the gerrymandering

You can try to mislead the audience as much as you want, but when you talk to me, and especially when you adopt the tone you do without being provoked, you should be very careful with what you say because I will expose your ignorance in public.

 

[haymarket]

Sure you do simply because of the D, not because of the policies, thanks for proving the point you are a partisan liberal hack who doesn't even care about results and would turn this country back over to liberals who gave us the worst recovery from a recession in modern history and bought your vote with handouts.

It is because the D after their name has meaning that I will vote for any candidate who opposes Trump.

Besides, you are the perfect reverse barometer. The fact that you are voting for Trump tells me that I should vote for his main opposition. Thank you for that public service.

 

[Conservative]

Do you know how many seats were up in the Senate and how many were in GOP hands and how many were in Democrat hands in 2018?

The fact is that ALL of the 435 seats were up in the House and the TOP had their asses handed to them in a massive repudiation of Republican government.

What does a racist president have to do with unemployment figures?

You seem to believe that the number of seats matters and all people are robots like you and the radical left. Doesn't matter, what matters are the end results. that racist President has presented an economic policy that has created the economic boom we have today and that drives people like you crazy because you are nothing but a partisan liberal who ignores results and buys rhetoric.

 

[Conservative]

I will support ANY Democrat who runs against Trump and Trumpkins.

Yes, Clinton lost the Electoral College and did it with Russian assistance on behalf of Trump. Trump also got a big assist from Comey in the final two weeks of the election with million voting. She made mistakes and paid for them.

Then we need to thank Russia for giving us Trump and the economy we have today, in my situation Russia didn't change my vote for Trump Hillary did and I will gladly do it again as there is no reason to vote for a Democrat. Results matter and the American people are better off today than 2 years ago and if that continues it will be Trump for 4 more years.

 

[Conservative]

I have no idea if you paid or not. That is the issue. You claim you did. So the responsibility is upon your and only you.

Simply present your tax payments and a listing of all the government services you received and lets see if your tax payments covered the bill.

Do it.

Didn't stop you from making the claim what services am I provided by the gov't that I am not paying for?? You made the claim now like with every other issue you are backing out. Without a doubt you have the highest number of posts in this forum that I have seen and may be one of the most poorly informed and educated that I have seen

As for your question, I drive a car so I pay excise taxes that fund roads and bridges. I earn income and am one of those 56% of income earners that pay for defense, the gov't I have, health and human services, etc. through FIT , I own a home and am paying state and local property taxes that fund police, fire, schools, and government, I buy goods and services and I pay sales taxes. I no longer am working so I don't pay FICA payroll taxes. If I missed something let me know what it is and I will tell you the taxes I pay.

 

[haymarket]

You seem to believe that the number of seats matters and all people are robots like you and the radical left. Doesn't matter, what matters are the end results.

I told you the results.

 

[haymarket]

Then we need to thank Russia for giving us Trump and the economy we have today, in my situation Russia didn't change my vote for Trump Hillary did and I will gladly do it again as there is no reason to vote for a Democrat. Results matter and the American people are better off today than 2 years ago and if that continues it will be Trump for 4 more years.

So you kneel and kiss the hand of your Russian masters and are proud of the stains on your knees. It is a suitable position for you.

 

[haymarket]

Didn't stop you from making the claim what services am I provided by the gov't that I am not paying for??

Great - simply produce that claim in your next post.