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Michigan lesbian couple says pediatrician denied baby care due to sexual orientation

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I'd love to be in a thread where the discussion is about policemen and firemen and doctors and other emergency responders refuse to help someone based on religious beliefs. That isn't this thread.
 
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sangha said:
No, it's not. I think we found the source of your confusion
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Yes, it is. Government is about force and has been about force for thousands of years.
 
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And really, what parent that's worth two ****s wants to have a doctor who is opposed to the choices they've made as people to be the main source of medical care for their precious child?
 
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I would think a doctor who knowingly and intentionally allows a patient to die for any reason would face some sort of penalty, wouldn't you?
 
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Not your post but this thread might shed some light on hypocrisy. It's also about Michigan

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...-freedom-discrimination-7.html#post1064078094
 
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What do those things have to do with abortion? They're reality regardless of what she does with it. And Plan B isn't an abortion.

Anyway, yes, I do expect the laws to change -- or rather the lack of laws protecting people from bigoted doctors, because we didn't use to have any issue with this, and therefore there's no laws about it at all in most cases.

You don't think that's the implication of saying he won't even treat a gay couple's child? Are you being intentionally dense?
 
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Yup. Exactly what I've been saying.

If they went in that morning to see doctor X, and instead had to see doctor Y, they would have been like most people who have been to doctors in a group practice at some point. If she had called out sick that day, nothing would have been any different. But instead we have drama, hysterics, and talk of dying.
 
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I didn't say Plan B had anything to do with abortion. You mentioned Plan B and abortion in your post to me. I said I wasn't talking about Plan B and abortion, and you ask me if I'm being dense? FFS.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I didn't say Plan B had anything to do with abortion. You mentioned Plan B and abortion in your post to me. I said I wasn't talking about Plan B and abortion, and you ask me if I'm being dense? FFS.
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I mentioned nothing about abortion. I mentioned the implications of pregnancies women are not prepared for, whether they birth or abort or even miscarry.

I notice you're still ignoring the clear implication here.
 
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clownboy said:
And really, what parent that's worth two ****s wants to have a doctor who is opposed to the choices they've made as people to be the main source of medical care for their precious child?
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When I was a new mother, the relationship with my babies' doctor was huge to me. That's why we left one and moved to another when we didn't like the way she spoke to us and treated us when we asked a question. We didn't go to medical school - she did - so we asked for clarification of some medical term, and she was obnoxious and rude to us. We asked for our kids' records to be transferred to another practice after getting some recommendations from friends. It wasn't the end of the world. And it was the best thing for everyone.
 
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tres borrachos said:
I'd love to be in a thread where the discussion is about policemen and firemen and doctors and other emergency responders refuse to help someone based on religious beliefs. That isn't this thread.
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Actually, it is a discussion on what people choose to discuss in the thread.

And it's not just about an isolated incident...it should be obvious to you by now that many here believe it has broader implications for society. And that there are already precedents to use as examples. I used cops and firemen. I also used a logical hypothetical situation that could occur in a more dangerous context.

I also explained why it was important to examine it in broader context: to protect the doctors AND patients in the future.

If you choose not to discuss the OP with regards to those very relevant offshoots, then dont.
 
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And pretty damn normal for parents who care about their children more than their own lifestyle. We went through a few doctors before we found the right one. Same with dentists. Not a big deal at all.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
I mentioned nothing about abortion. I mentioned the implications of pregnancies women are not prepared for, whether they birth or abort or even miscarry.

I notice you're still ignoring the clear implication here.
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Oh, so the "Plan B" debacle had nothing to do with pharmacists thinking it was an abortion inducing pill, and that wasn't in your mind when you posted about Plan B. Of course.

Okay, let me rephrase my post. I wasn't talking about Plan B.

There is no implication. If you believe this to be a terrible tragedy, fine. I don't. We will have to disagree.
 
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I love these threads. It's like a big outrage parade, where some people wear their outrage finery for all to see, all the while trying to out-outrage the last person. ****ing hilarious!
 
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Oh, okay. Then ask the people who want to discuss firemen and policemen and emergencies to discuss that, Lursa. I'm in a thread about a non-emergency situation. So I guess you just wasted your fingers with me because I'm not going off tangent with you.
 
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AGENT J said:
Translation: you got NOTHING lol
thats what we though
facts win again
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We? Who is we? You not capable of just being you and making your stand?
 
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Moon said:
I love these threads. It's like a big outrage parade, where some people wear their outrage finery for all to see, all the while trying to out-outrage the last person. ****ing hilarious!
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Outrageous post. +10
 
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Except there's no problem to discuss in this case in the first place. The child never was without care. ONE doctor in the group didn't like the parents' lifestyle, another doctor from the same group stepped in and provided care going forward. The lesbians just didn't like that someone might object to their lifestyle. The child's care had nothing to do with this. They should have just gotten a puppy. The idiot drama this poor kid is going to have to live with.
 
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Oh, their perception. Yes, I suppose it does. They're medically wrong, and they should be fired for refusing a service they claim to offer, however.

There is no implication in saying they can't see a child because the parents are gay? Ok then. Whatever beach is most comfortable for you to bury your head in.
 
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Moon said:
I love these threads. It's like a big outrage parade, where some people wear their outrage finery for all to see, all the while trying to out-outrage the last person. ****ing hilarious!
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I think it's funny that a few of these posters are regularly arguing the pro-choice side in the abortion forum, but here they are arguing for the side that thinks they are owed other peoples labor. I doubt they even see why that is entertaining to watch either. :lol:
 
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not everyone agrees with the lgbt lifestyles......no surprise there

certain people will not want to do business with, or interact with said people

the government in a lot of cases is now FORCING that to happen by using anti discrimination laws

but no matter how many laws you put on the books, or how many ordinances are passed, some people will still detest people in the lgbt world

just as other people will always dislike chicanos, or blacks, or chinese, or etc

for most people these are not an issue.....for others it is

you cant force people to LIKE someone they dont.....

they can find all kinds of ways of not dealing with the situation....they just cant tell you they refuse your business because your look and act gay

you wont change the minds of a lot of stout religious people....and that pisses so many of you off

the more you keep pushing your agenda, the harder some people will dig in

this is not a major issue....plenty of doctors available, and it wasnt an emergency

the gay community has got to stop the omg i've been discriminated against again tirades

it is hurting their cause.....not helping it

they want everyone to deal with their sexual orientation whether they approve or not

life just doesnt work that way
 
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No, the refusing doctor was NOT "medically wrong". And her reason could just as well been because the parents were daredevils, or professional beggars, or never bathed. The doctor couldn't face the parents' lifestyle, so the medical group provided another doctor that could to cover this patient.
 
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Lursa said:
...is it your position that it would never happen in a life or death situation?
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Lursa said:
...is it your position that it would never happen in a life or death situation?
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I don't care why a doctor in a group practice decides to ask another doctor to see a patient instead of her. Would the story have been different because the doctor asked her partner to see the baby because she didn't want to see the baby because the parents smelled bad? Because she doesn't like people with accents? Because the parents were too loud? Because there were 12 relatives from the trailer park who wanted to join the visit? Because she used to be married to one of the parent's brother? That's a rhetorical question, because the answer is "yes". You don't really care who saw the baby. Nobody does. What you care about I believe is that you don't like that this woman disapproves of the gay lifestyle. I get that.
 
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