Michael Sam, why he matters and why his decision is important.

[CLAX1911]

Yep, keep piling up the personal attacks. They sure help with your internet tough-guy image that you seem so desperate to cultivate. Next your gonna tell me you "hit the gym" all the time, right?

Oh, and the only reason I brought up that I am 6'2, 250, bald, tattooed, and pierced was that you seem to have something against hitting women. I merely wanted to point out that, gay or not, I am definitely not a woman and don't even resemble one.

So, yeah, keep calling me fat. You're digging yourself a lovely hole that it is hysterical to watch you try to climb your way out of.

It's funny. I just had training with a fellow that is definitely a tough guy. He taught me some pretty impressive tactics. Later he mentioned that he was a body guard for the present of Colombia. He wasn't really impressive looking, just a regular guy, older Hispanic fellow little over weight.

Nobody could touch him.

 

[opendebate]

It's an insult because you're injecting the presumption of falsehood in to the description. The word "religion" is neutral. It neither implies that the belief is true nor false.
The word "mythology" is loaded in that it implies that the belief is false. Well you may believe it's false, but I don't. So now the speaker is unnecessarily stirring the pot and being rude, see?
That's why you don't hear the word used in place of religion in the mainstream. It's clearly offensive.

IMO, it's only an insult only if you need others to agree with your take on your faith otherwise it's just a difference of opinion.

The use of the mythology reflects HIS opinion about a faith. It makes the statement that it is false to him. It does not necessarily demean you for believing.

I am always most impressed by people of faith who don't need others to believe what they do. It reflects a confidence in their beliefs.

 

[CLAX1911]

Alright so when you have a definition of a word in the dictionary.... it doesn't mean 1. blah blah OR 2. blah blah......... it's 1. blah blah AND 2. blah blah.

The word means all of those things.

So a myth is both a traditional story, esp. one concerning the early history of a people or explaining some natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
synonyms: folk tale, folk story, legend, tale, story, fable, saga, mythos, lore, folklore, mythology More
traditional stories or legends collectively.
"the heroes of Greek myth"

AND......

2.
a widely held but false belief or idea.


So if you call Christianity "mythology," you're calling it a false belief or idea. And that's rude.

You are bending over backwards to be offended. So be offended what do I care?

This desire to be a victim is strong in you.

 

[Peter Grimm]

It's an insult only if you need others to agree with your take on your faith otherwise it's just a difference of opinion.

The use of the mythology reflects HIS opinion about a faith. It makes the statement that it is false to him. It does not necessarily demean you for believing.

It's confrontational. It's exactly the same as if I said to a Muslim "so do you pray to your false god four times a day or five?"

You can't see how that would be unnecessarily confrontational?

Well how about something closer to home. What if I said "I can't understand why women go to murder clinics to murder unborn babies. Just give it up for adoption."

That might be my belief (it isn't, but for example), and I'm entitled to my belief, and you may not need me to believe as you do, but it's STILL RUDE.

 

[Peter Grimm]

You are bending over backwards to be offended. So be offended what do I care?

This desire to be a victim is strong in you.

Alright well if you don't care stop responding. Good riddance.

 

[CLAX1911]

Well yeah, as a matter of fact I love going to the gym. I'm an ex steroid user. Don't touch the stuff anymore. Don't do drugs kids.

So, big muscles don't equal strength. Most of the fighting instructors I have been trained by street full of muscles and 3% body fat. Most of them look rather average. I have seen them take down big muscular bodybuilders like they were five year olds.

 

[CLAX1911]

Alright well if you don't care stop responding. Good riddance.

I really am responding to point out that you are playing victim.

I don't care that you choose to be offended, offending sensitive people is to easy.

 

[Peter Grimm]

So, big muscles don't equal strength. Most of the fighting instructors I have been trained by street full of muscles and 3% body fat. Most of them look rather average. I have seen them take down big muscular bodybuilders like they were five year olds.

Yeah that's true I'm just vain.

 

[CLAX1911]

It's confrontational. It's exactly the same as if I said to a Muslim "so do you pray to your false god four times a day or five?"

You can't see how that would be unnecessarily confrontational?

Well how about something closer to home. What if I said "I can't understand why women go to murder clinics to murder unborn babies. Just give it up for adoption."

That might be my belief (it isn't, but for example), and I'm entitled to my belief, and you may not need me to believe as you do, but it's STILL RUDE.

for a recovering steroid junkie you sure are sensitive.

 

[Koros]

It's confrontational. It's exactly the same as if I said to a Muslim "so do you pray to your false god four times a day or five?"

You can't see how that would be unnecessarily confrontational?

Well how about something closer to home. What if I said "I can't understand why women go to murder clinics to murder unborn babies. Just give it up for adoption."

That might be my belief (it isn't, but for example), and I'm entitled to my belief, and you may not need me to believe as you do, but it's STILL RUDE.

But, yet, you still said you wouldn't give up talking about Jesus if someone told you it was offensive. And, on top of that, you stated that people are obligated to respect your beliefs. As far as I can see, this only makes you a hypocrite, not someone standing up for a cause or belief.

 

[Peter Grimm]

I really am responding to point out that you are playing victim.

I don't care that you choose to be offended, offending sensitive people is to easy.

Stay classy.

 

[CLAX1911]

Yeah that's true I'm just vain.

Hey, have to give respect where it's due. You are aware of your short comings.

 

[CLAX1911]

Stay classy.

Stay an elective victim.

 

[Peter Grimm]

But, yet, you still said you wouldn't give up talking about Jesus if someone told you it was offensive. And, on top of that, you stated that people are obligated to respect your beliefs. As far as I can see, this only makes you a hypocrite, not someone standing up for a cause or belief.

Wrong I said I WOULD give up talking about Jesus if they were getting offended. I actually never evangelize. But I do reserve the right.

Yeah people should respect my beliefs, and the beliefs of everyone else. That's not an obligation it's common courtesy. I'm not going to disrespect someone's religious beliefs and I wouldn't expect them to do it to me either.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Hey, have to give respect where it's due. You are aware of your short comings.

I haven't been in a physical fight in many years. That's a good thing and I plan to keep it that way if I can.

 

[Peter Grimm]

for a recovering steroid junkie you sure are sensitive.

I'm offended by your use of the word "junkie."

 

[Koros]

Wrong I said I WOULD give up talking about Jesus if they were getting offended. I actually never evangelize. But I do reserve the right.

Yeah people should respect my beliefs, and the beliefs of everyone else. That's not an obligation it's common courtesy. I'm not going to disrespect someone's religious beliefs and I wouldn't expect them to do it to me either.

But, when I made the compromise proposition, you cut and run. Whatever, that's fine.

Answer me something though. What is it about religious beliefs that make them somehow special and deserving of respect? Should we respect political beliefs that we think are dangerous and detrimental? If not, then why does religion warrant respect?

 

[CLAX1911]

I haven't been in a physical fight in many years. That's a good thing and I plan to keep it that way if I can.

Meh it's part of my job.

I don't think you could, you are crying about two guys you don't even know picking on you.

People as delicate and sensitive as you ought to not get into fights. As people fighting you don't tend to care that you are offended.

 

[Koros]

I'm offended by your use of the word "junkie."

OH, please. You called me fat, multiple times, and then insinuated that I have a heart problem. You don't get the right to be offended anymore. Personal attacks are your stock and trade, so suck it up, buttercup. If you can't take it, then shut up and stop dishing it out.

Damn...hypocrites piss me off.

 

[beefheart]

But, when I made the compromise proposition, you cut and run. Whatever, that's fine.

Answer me something though. What is it about religious beliefs that make them somehow special and deserving of respect? Should we respect political beliefs that we think are dangerous and detrimental? If not, then why does religion warrant respect?

There are no sacred cows. Even when we are talking about sacred cows.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm offended by your use of the word "junkie."

Choose not to be offended. You're a big boy.

 

[Peter Grimm]

But, when I made the compromise proposition, you cut and run. Whatever, that's fine.

Answer me something though. What is it about religious beliefs that make them somehow special and deserving of respect? Should we respect political beliefs that we think are dangerous and detrimental? If not, then why does religion warrant respect?

In polite company never talk about religion, politics, sex, or money. Rule of thumb.

People's religious beliefs are often some of their most deeply held. If you insinuate their religion is false, you're basically saying their whole core of knowing right from wrong, their thoughts about life and death, their whole sense of meaning and purpose...... all those things are bullcrap.

Yeah that's going to set some folks off a little bit.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Choose not to be offended. You're a big boy.

How rude.

 

[Peter Grimm]

There are no sacred cows. Even when we are talking about sacred cows.

There is, however, common decency. Class, if you will.

 

[CLAX1911]

How rude.

How sensitive.