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Michael Moore calls Flint a crime scene, demands arrest of Gov. Snyder

rabbitcaebannog said:
People in third world countries are still willing to work for barely nothing
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So you're saying they're willing. So they're not coerced in any way. Not a slave, then.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, it is wrong if it hurts the community at large. Sh*t wages hurt communities.
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Lower labor costs means lower prices. Lower prices means a lower cost of living.

:shrug:
 
Henrin said:
We don't want to call it slave wages because it's an oxymoron. You are either not clear on the concept of slavery or you're just appealing to emotions.
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Term it *^%*. The concept is still the same. People are getting paid very low wages for a days work just to afford to eat a meal.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
This conversation came up at our dinner table not too long ago. We may not be able to bring factories back, service jobs are here to stay. If those people start making better wages and benefits, our economy can come back again.
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The people who founded this nation over two centuries ago knew about protecting American jobs and how important they were. They provided an important tool in the powers granted to Congress in the US Constitution - Article I, Section 8 - the tariff - to deal with situations just like this.
 
JayDubya said:
Lower labor costs means lower prices. Lower prices means a lower cost of living.

:shrug:
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No it doesn't. When you live in a place where a very small sector of people are making insane money, costs of living goes up even if massive amounts of people make sh*t.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
No it doesn't. When you live in a place where a very small sector of people are making insane money, costs of living goes up even if massive amounts of people make sh*t.
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So you're saying that prices going down means a higher cost of living. Y'okay. :rolleyes:
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
No it doesn't. When you live in a place where a very small sector of people are making insane money, costs of living goes up even if massive amounts of people make sh*t.
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sooner or later its going to hit the fan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States

Just prior to President Obama's 2014 State of the Union Address, media[4] reported that the top wealthiest 1% possess 40% of the nation’s wealth; the bottom 80% own 7%; similarly, but later, the media reported, the "richest 1 percent in the United States now own more additional income than the bottom 90 percent".[5] The gap between the top 10% and the middle class is over 1,000%; that increases another 1000% for the top 1%. The average employee "needs to work more than a month to earn what the CEO earns in one hour."[6] Although different from income inequality, the two are related. In Inequality for All—a 2013 documentary with Robert Reich in which he argued that income inequality is the defining issue for the United States—Reich states that 95% of economic gains went to the top 1% net worth (HNWI) since 2009 when the recovery allegedly started.[7]
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How long people will take the excuses on behalf of economic and social darwinism that the right wing preaches is anybody's guess. But this cannot continue for long without terrible rips in the national fabric.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
"When the governor appointed an emergency financial manager (in 2011), that person came here ... to simply do one thing and one thing only, and that's cut the budget, at any cost,"

It happened to be at the costs of people's lives, but heck they did save money.

Let this be a lesson on why unfettered capitalism does not work.
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Oh good lord! Can you possibly pile on more unrelated political agenda on?

Moore, as usual, is talking out of his ass and out of his hatred of anyone that doesn't agree with him (typical).

The Flint city council voted to switch the water source. They didn't do it right and it blew up in their faces. And now it's supposed to be the Republican Governor's fault somehow? Oh good grief! You're as bad a Moore.

The Flint city council voted 7-1 in March 2013 to stop buying Detroit water and join the Karegondi Water Authority, a new pipeline project that would deliver water from Lake Huron. The state agreed with the water switch, which was projected to save the city $19 million over eight years. Emergency manager Ed Kurta officially signed the agreement April 16, 2013.

The day after joining the KWA, Detroit notifies Flint it will stop selling the city water as of April 2014. With the KWA not expected to be completed for roughly 3 years, Flint was forced to find a new source of drinking water. In the eight months following the Detroit notification of shutoff, the city invests more than $4 million into its water plant.
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How the Flint water crisis emerged | MLive.com

Between the two municipalities, it's a total government **** up that the Governor wasn't involved in.

Napoleon said:
That should be investigated separately. Why the river was/is so polluted doesn't change the fact that they knew about it, but chose to force the residents of Flint to either use it or buy bottled water for years.
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No one forced Flint to do anything unless it's Detroit's untimely cut off from their water system. The Flint city council voted to do this.

upsideguy said:
Snyder's idea of conquering municipalities, then replacing the duly elected officials with the governor's henchman, is at least a failed policy, but not criminal (unless we find corruption). Its a wonderful illustration that you just can't cut government by cutting costs.

It is also a great example of why Conservatives can't govern. Snyder needs to fall the sword. He should do the right thing and resign. His political career is done.
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Better if Snyder would let Flint go bankrupt? The appointment of an emergency manager does not mitigate the Flint city council voting to do this to themselves, and really screwed it up. Typical liberal politicians, screw something up and then try to blame someone else, all the better if it's a Republican. What crap!
 
minnie616 said:
Correction....Gov.Rick Snyder appointed an Emergency City Manager for Flint who took control away from city council appointed mayor/city manager.

From the following article:



Gov. Snyder appoints an emergency manager in Hamtramck, Flint EM replacement also announced | Michigan Radio
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The Flint city council voted 7-1 in March 2013 to stop buying Detroit water and join the Karegondi Water Authority, a new pipeline project that would deliver water from Lake Huron. The state agreed with the water switch, which was projected to save the city $19 million over eight years. Emergency manager Ed Kurta officially signed the agreement April 16, 2013.
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How the Flint water crisis emerged | MLive.com

The Flint city council voted for this. The Emergency manager didn't make them vote for it.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
...and that is why inequality matters.
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The amount of citizens defaulting on billing with this basic utility (water) is shocking. Crack, meth, booze, tobacco and general gang banging was way more important than paying the water bill. Let’s note: The State and feds subsidize these folks heavily, why is it now societies fault and we now need to babysit ? Screw them I say….
 
JayDubya said:
So you're saying that prices going down means a higher cost of living. Y'okay. :rolleyes:
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Profits and money is still being made but only a few are reaping the rewards. Cost of living is still going up even in our sh*tty economic situation for many because a few are making hand over fist.
 
woodsman said:
The amount of citizens defaulting on billing with this basic utility (water) is shocking. Crack, meth, booze, tobacco and general gang banging was way more important than paying the water bill. Let’s note: The State and feds subsidize these folks heavily, why is it now societies fault and we now need to babysit ? Screw them I say….
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What does this rant have to do with people drinking poisoned water?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Completely false.
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No, they most certainly did vote to switch the water source, to KWA, not the Flint river.

Where did this got changed to the Flint river, and this is where serious questions are raised.
 
HenryChinaski said:
I'm not really a fan of Moore, however there needs to be accountability here, I can't imagine the water source here being switched to Chicago river water. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that consuming water from those rivers can be extremely dangerous and possibly deadly.
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They're mostly poor black folks. Who cares? (sarcasm)
 
RetiredUSN said:
Do you know what really happened in detail, other than people getting sick?

I prefer to wait and see what the investigation finds out, and without all the political grandstanding.

Way too early for finger waggling.
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There's plenty of information available. Not hard to find either.
 
haymarket said:
I too know lots of facts ... tons of them actually. Just which ones do you feel are the key ones here?
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It’s sort of disturbing that you would have “lots” of facts supporting Michael Moore, but excuse the obvious, that obvious was already written by me, sorry I try not to repeat myself.
 
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