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Michael Cohen sues Trump Organization over legal fees

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Michael Cohen sues Trump Organization over legal fees - BBC News

So let me get this right.

1. Trump owed Cohen legal fees for work he'd done for Trump
2. Cohen was arrested for the work done he'd for Trump
3. Cohen flipped on Trump.
4. Trump stopped paying his fees.

Does that suggest that somehow the offer was contingent on giving a favorable testimony? Could that not be considered witness tampering or obstruction, and the fact it was withdrawn over an unfavorable testimony, therefore is evidence of said obstruction?

What was Cohen supposed to do - keep lying for Trump after he'd been caught, in order to keep getting his fees paid?

Oh this is fun.
 
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Cohen is going to jail for stuff totally unrelated to Trump or the Trump organization. There is no way in hell that's covered by his indemnity agreement. What he's arguing is the equivalent of "I worked for McDonald's and McDonald's promised to pay my legal bills for anything I did pursuant to their instructions while at work. I burned down city hall on my day off and McDonald's has to pay my legal bills because they promised to".
 
First, paying parking tickets is just like paying off 130K to a porn mistress through a lawyers shell games.

Now, asking for remuneration for work done, or indemnities is like burning down city hall.

Is there no voice in your head that says "maybe this comparison is wrong?" Not even a faint one? Like one with a David Spade sort of voice. You know, a gentle reminder that you're way out on leftfield.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 

It could be witness tampering and obstruction. I'm not sure Cohen's lawsuit will go anywhere though. Not that I object to anyone suing Trump. Considering his use of the civil court system to abuse people, I think he should be sued by just about everybody for something or other. Maybe a class action suit over his excessive breathing. I'm sure he pollutes more than his share of the atmosphere.
 

Not quite. Cohen lied to congress in order to benefit Trump.
 
Lutherf said:
Cohen is going to jail for stuff totally unrelated to Trump or the Trump organization.
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I thought he was convicted for committing campaign finance violations on behalf of 'Individual-1.'

Care to guess who 'Individual-1' is?

"In August 2018, it was reported that investigators were in the final stages of their investigation. Cohen officially surrendered to the FBI on August 21, 2018.That afternoon, Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges: five counts of tax evasion, one count of making false statements to a financial institution, one count of willfully causing an unlawful corporate contribution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution at the request of a candidate (Trump) for the "principal purpose of influencing [the] election"."

I would otherwise ask for evidence that it is 'completely unrelated to Trump'. But since we have it as a matter of court record that he was indeed acting for Trump and his campaign, I don't need to.
 

He was charged with making excessive campaign contributions. What he's arguing is the equivalent of McDonald's agreeing to cover his potential legal fees in exchange for illegally giving them money, and then not covering his legal fees when he's charged with illegally giving them money.
 

He wasn't "convicted" of anything. He copped a plea to multiple counts of tax fraud which, if he'd gone to jury and been found guilty, would have put him away for a dozen years or more. He also plead to campaign finance charges and lying to congress. There is a VERY good likelihood that the reason he plead to those charges is because the prosecutor promised him that if he made the political deal he'd get an easy ride on the criminal charges. Cohen would probably tell the court that Trump grabbed his ***** and ****ed him on the steps to Trump tower if he didn't have to prove it in court and doing so would reduce his sentence.

We aren't operating in the world of law and order here. This is a matter of pure politics.
 

Yes we are operating in the world of law and order, as political as it may be due to the fact that one of the subjects is a politician. After all how can campaign finance crimes not be related to politics?

As for this 'wasn't convicted' nonsense, how else does one get a prison sentence? You plead innocent and get found guilty and get convicted. You plead guilty and the court accepts that, you are still convicted.

There is indeed a very good likelihood he made that plea deal because he was promised a lesser sentence and also the near-absolute certainty that he did so because both he and the prosecutors knew he did it. It would otherwise be perverting the course of justice and the prosecutors would be in the docks instead.

It is no longer possible, after everyone has flipped or turned on him, to keep believing the whole world is wrong and only Donald J. Trump is right. He's a crook and his associates are ratting him out.
 
Y'know, now that I think about it, this deal could work out really, really well.

See, if the court decides to hear the case then Trump's people can pull all the Cohen records that Mueller has. If Cohen had been using his position with the Trump Organization to further his own interests they could use that against him. If he had been "going rogue" in his capacity as an employee of the Trump Organization thus putting the organization in legal jeopardy they could use that against him. I bet a little rat boy like Cohen has all kinds of cool stuff in his closet to lay out in a public forum.
 

Can the entire non-Trump voting electorate be made into a legal class and given standing to class-action sue over his failure to uphold the Oath of Office?
Yeah I know, snowball's chance in Hell.
 

Yes they could get their 'revenge' on him that way. I'm sure a sleazeball like Cohen has ripped off his clients, including [a sleazeball like] Trump, before. However by doing all that digging they'll also likely dig up even more incriminating evidence against the president as well. Careful what to wish for...
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Can the entire non-Trump voting electorate be made into a legal class and given standing to class-action sue over his failure to uphold the Oath of Office?
Yeah I know, snowball's chance in Hell.
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That's called 'impeachment', but here's hoping...unfortunately it takes political will, not just a cut and dry case of crimes committed in office.
 

That's a whole lot of ifs. I would like to see everything come out. Somehow I don't think Trump would like that. Notice he's not suing Cohen.
 

Are you suggesting that Mueller hasn't already dug up that dirt? He's had Cohen's stash for nearly a year by now.
 

No surprise. Trump never pays his bills...

True to form, Trump finds a way to stiff contractors (again) | MSNBC
Are there any documented cases of Donald Trump not paying companies he did business with? Do you have any links to sites with evidence? - Quora
USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills
A brief history of Trump's small-time swindles
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-business-plan-left-a-trail-of-unpaid-bills-1465504454
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-claim-donald-trump-doesn-t-pay-his-bills-n589261
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Can the entire non-Trump voting electorate be made into a legal class and given standing to class-action sue over his failure to uphold the Oath of Office?
Yeah I know, snowball's chance in Hell.
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Not upholding or breaking the oath of office is more of an impeachment type thing so it wouldn't go anywhere. Maybe the public swearing in front of C-PAC has possibilities. Corrupting the public discourse, not to mention America's youth.
 
Lutherf said:
Are you suggesting that Mueller hasn't already dug up that dirt? He's had Cohen's stash for nearly a year by now.
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Nope. I said 'even more dirt' which means I believe they have plenty already.

I expect the things we already know about, such as obstruction, witness tampering, campaign finance violations and suspected collusion will be just the tip of the iceberg. And before demand what PROOF! TM I personally have: I don't work for Mueller. We all just have to wait till the report comes out.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
No, I am talking about a class-action...a civil suit.
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I can't imagine how when that's a political response to not doing his job and the constitution already has a mechanism for that. Impeachment usually, or under extreme circumstances, the 25th amendment.

As for committing regular old felonies - it's only a DOJ rule they can't indict a sitting president. I don't see how the constitution forbids it. It recommends impeachment for 'high crimes and misdemeanors' but what about being a two-bit crook? Surely some DA can go after Trump for that.
 
 
not surprising that Tweety stiffed him. that's what he does, as Cohen (and everyone else) should already know.
 

You were doing good on your post until I got to the bold. Could, maybe, I think, might be. You want Trump killed so bad you can't stand it. You cling to every wild theory or maybe it could be. etc.

Does it suggest, NO but Hell NO, can you even imagine how many lies Cohen will tell his attorneys to put in his claim. Can you invision taking Cohen's deposition, that would be a waste of time. Cohen lost and he is trying everything to get at Trump, no different than every liberal for the last 2+ yrs.
 

Maybe with normal people. But not paying his bills is the norm for Trump. That sad fact might actually play to his favor in this case.
 

I'd settle for the two-bit crook approach. :lamo
 
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