Mexico teachers protest: Six killed in Oaxaca clashes (1 Viewer)

[Celebrity]

Mexico teachers protest: Six killed in Oaxaca clashes - BBC News

A teachers union in Mexico has been accused of money laundering. I think when you start killing your teachers, **** has officially hit the fan. Supposedly, shots were fired by a third party, which incited the violence.

From whom will children in the state of Oaxaca learn? This is an example of society moving backwards.

 

[Patrickt]

The schools in Oaxaca are a mess. For decades, the union totally ran the school system. We have thousands of aviadores who are friends and family members of union thugs and are on the books as teachers, get teachers' paychecks, use the teachers' healthcare system but, of course, never show up.

The teachers who do show up work four-hours a day, 110 days a year but days they're out of school doing union nonsense count as days worked.

Teachers who are not sufficiently thuggish face not getting paid. The government threw the union out of the management of the school system but pay is based on reports from school principals and many are principals only because of loyalty to the union.

In the demonstrations, teachers are forced to participate but the violence comes from a few union thugs and is often directed at the teachers. In 2006 Teacher Calvo was stabbed to death by ice picks. The union also uses Nomralistas, students in union run schools, for violence. When you read of buses being hijacked and sometimes burned that more often than not Normalistas. And, in 2006, much of the violence came from anarchists who really had nothing to do with teachers but supported the communist group APPO and enjoyed a chance to destroy things.

Some other minor problems, that hopefully will end, are the practices of the union selling teachers' positions to unqualified people and teachers selling, giving, or leaving as an inheritance their teaching position.

The union steals money from the teachers, steals days of school or months of school from the students, steals the future of the children and their families.

I totally support the kids and the teachers and a pox on the union. I'm not a union supporter anyway but this Sección XXII is horrible. They have zero public support with people who are not related to a teacher or an aviador. Since IEPPO was taken over by the government it{s gotten marginally better but there is still a lot to be done to clean up the mess.

 

[Patrickt]

Some other news. Some items in the groceries are running out, specifically yogurt, milk, bread. Things that come in over the highway won't be in stock.

An ambulance taking a patient from Oaxaca to a hospital in Mexico City was refused passage by the thugs and the patient died as the ambulance returned to Oaxaca.

"This is an example of society moving backwards." No, actually it's an example of a society trying to move forward. In the last fifteen years, education has become a much higher priority for the people of Oaxaca who are mostly Indians. The miserable schools that were tolerated for years when kids quit school after the 6th grade to work in the fields are no longer being tolerated.

A friend of mine lives in Santa Ana de Valle, a Zapotec village. In the troubles in 2006 when the teachers were on strike for six month the public schools were closed. When they reopened and the teachers tried to return to Santa Ana de Valle they were met by a blockade and armed villagers. A leader said, "You abandoned our children and you're not coming back." It was only symbolic because the new teachers they got were union, too. They have to be.

 

[Patrickt]

An update and a few other points.
The roadblock seems to be gone. A couple of packages that were held in Mexico City for over a week game through in the last two days. The death toll has increased to 9 but none of the news outlets are saying those kiled were teachers. Odds are none were actually teachers.

The State of Utah has a population of 2.9 million people and has approximately 26,000 teachers. The State of Oaxaca has a population of 3.2 million, fairly close to Utah, and approximately 83,000 teachers. Why do you think Oaxaca has 55,000+ more teachers than Utah?

 

[Celebrity]

An update and a few other points.
The roadblock seems to be gone. A couple of packages that were held in Mexico City for over a week game through in the last two days. The death toll has increased to 9 but none of the news outlets are saying those kiled were teachers. Odds are none were actually teachers.

The State of Utah has a population of 2.9 million people and has approximately 26,000 teachers. The State of Oaxaca has a population of 3.2 million, fairly close to Utah, and approximately 83,000 teachers. Why do you think Oaxaca has 55,000+ more teachers than Utah?

Is it the greater turnover, or fewer Mormons?

 

[Patrickt]

Is it the greater turnover, or fewer Mormons?

Turnover has nothing to do with the number and neither does the religion.