Mexico refuses to accept a U.S. deportation flight (1 Viewer)

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Mycroft]

shrug...

Columbia might agree with you, but that doesn't change the fact that Trump is, right now, slapping them upside the head.

We'll see how much of that Columbia can take before they fold like a cheap suit.

Well, that didn't take long. LOL!!

 

[L88]

You gotta love a country that won't take its citizens back.

 

[L88]

A nice little piece of 2nd hand artwork.

I'm sure this is happening but nobody has the real numbers yet.

 

[Artymoon]

I think it's much more complicated than that. You can't just load people on a plane and ship them somewhere. Coordination between countries is critical. The receiving country needs to understand the arrival time, the numbers and the identification of each deportee as well as any criminal behavior within the US. In Trump's zeal to move them out It doesn't appear that was all done in advance. I'm certain that a process will be worked out to ensure smooth transfers. It seems to me Homan should have established procedures with these countries in advance.

Maybe, but I'm not so certain. This isn't something that has never been done before so I'm sure there are processes in place already. I believe it to be very simple, there is an opportunity for gain on all sides and once that is established, it will proceed.

 

[eohrnberger]

Mexico wants civilian paperwork not military paperwork.

This already acknowledged in another post.

Same for Columbia -- civilian planes and ICE personnel, not USAF and military personnel to include security personnel in their airports.

The president of Honduras is threatening to expel the vital US military presence that is central to drug interdiction in Central America led by the Joint Bravo Team that is secretive and swift.

This is getting Very Trumpy Messy.

Homan has said for a long time he's not budgeted to charter commercial planes and that military aircraft are a must.

Then there's going to be something worked out to get ICE the charters they need. OK, fine.
Or there'll be discussion with those foreign nations into accepting military transport aircraft landings for these purposes.

"Must" rhymes with "bust" don't we know. I'd also note emphatically these are your guys not mine.

 

[eohrnberger]

Homan has to pay for chartered flights out of the measly ICE and deportation budget which he says he can't do.

Then there's going to be something worked out to get ICE the charters they need. OK, fine.
Or there'll be discussion with those foreign nations into accepting military transport aircraft landings for these purposes.

Which is why Homan has said for months military flights are critical to the final step of the deportation which is to fly deportees to their countries. Homan does not have to pay for military flights -- it's not his problem. He gets 'em for free.

Homan has been hollering at Congress he needs huge amounts more of money, that his budget can't sustain rolling commercially chartered flights throughout a mass deportation. Indeed, Homan can't pay for the flights now that are supported and sustained by the military aircraft instead.

Congress is going to have to face up to an astronomical bill to pay or the whole mass deportation is going to go bust.

 

[eohrnberger]

This is what they call FAFO.

I was just informed that two repatriation flights from the United States, with a large number of Illegal Criminals, were not allowed to land in Colombia. This order was given by Colombia’s Socialist President Gustavo Petro, who is already very unpopular amongst his people. Petro’s denial of these flights has jeopardized the National Security and Public Safety of the United States, so I have directed my Administration to immediately take the following urgent and decisive retaliatory measures:​

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-Emergency 25% tariffs on all goods coming into the United States. In one week, the 25% tariffs will be raised to 50%.​

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-A Travel Ban and immediate Visa Revocations on the Colombian Government Officials, and all Allies and Supporters.​

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-Visa Sanctions on all Party Members, Family Members, and Supporters of the Colombian Government.​

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-Enhanced Customs and Border Protection Inspections of all Colombian Nationals and Cargo on national security grounds.​

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-IEEPA Treasury, Banking and Financial Sanctions to be fully imposed.​

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These measures are just the beginning. We will not allow the Colombian Government to violate its legal obligations with regard to the acceptance and return of the Criminals they forced into the United States!​

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btw, if Columbia was getting any aid money from the US...that ended yesterday.​

I detect a high probability of Columbian flexibility coming in the near future.

 

[eohrnberger]

Well, that didn't take long. LOL!!

. . and there it is.

 

[Callen]

Maybe, but I'm not so certain. This isn't something that has never been done before so I'm sure there are processes in place already. I believe it to be very simple, there is an opportunity for gain on all sides and once that is established, it will proceed.

That's my point. There are protocols and processes in place apparently they were not followedthe in the first Mexico incident. As for the situation in Columbia revolves around the use of military aircraft .

 

[reflechissez]

I've no idea what coordination took place. Countries like Mexico, Guatemala likely see an opportunity, everyone knew this was coming once Trump was sworn in. Realizing Trump needs this these leaders will object publicly for their citizens but will negotiate some sort of financial arrangement via trade/aid, etc. These deportations will happen once an arrangement is struck and all involved will declare a victory.

No kidding. Nor do you know what will happen.

 

[Showtime586]

What does any of this have to do with Biden?

Oh that's right, nothing.

Your deflection skills are poor.

Drew is a Trumplover. Deflection is all that he has.

 

[Tangmo]

Then there's going to be something worked out to get ICE the charters they need. OK, fine.
Or there'll be discussion with those foreign nations into accepting military transport aircraft landings for these purposes.

Homan said the other day he needs $86 billion for ICE personnel, roundups, detention camps, deportations. This is while the Fantasy Lander Trump says “It’s not a question of a price tag.”

GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham: We talk about mass deportation, but 'we don't have the resources'

In an interview with NBC News’ “Meet the Press,” Graham urged his congressional Republican colleagues to give the Trump administration more money for mass deportations.

www.nbcnews.com

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on Sunday urged his congressional Republican colleagues to prioritize sending more money to the Trump administration to help the president with his mass deportation plan. “Here’s the question for the Republican Party. We talk about doing this, but we don’t have the resources. We haven’t given the Trump team the resources,” Graham said. “We need to give Tom Homan the money now to execute the plan that he’s come up with, and without congressional funding, this is going to hit a wall.”

Trump’s appointed border czar, Tom Homan, has told conservative media that Congress needs to appropriate more money for the effort for Trump’s campaign promise to be fulfilled. Homan said “$86 billion is the minimum,” adding: “This operation is going to be expensive." In a November Fox News interview, Homan said, “We’ve got to have the resources to do the job.” "I’m being realistic," Homan said. "We can do what we can with the money we have. We’re going to try to be efficient, but with the more money we have, the more we can accomplish that.


In short Graham and Homan are clear that Trump has to muscle the Republican alley cats in Congress to become united against the Democrats to vote tens of billions of bucks for the mass deportation -- which Trump knows is virtually impossible to do.

 

[Tangmo]

Then there's going to be something worked out to get ICE the charters they need. OK, fine.
Or there'll be discussion with those foreign nations into accepting military transport aircraft landings for these purposes.

The Pentagon is not going to turn over its airlift capacity and capability to Tom Homan to deport a million immigrants throughout 2025. This fact supersedes any concern that foreign nations will be bludgeoned into accepting US military deportation flights.

Mass removals could cost the U.S. $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council. The long-term cost of deporting a million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.


Even factoring in that a sufficient number of chartered commercial flights could be funded indefinitely by Congress -- which of course is highly unlikely -- that's still a great expense by ICE and a huge wear and tear on the commercial charter planes, the pilots and crews in the air and on the ground, insurers and the companies owning and operating the chartered planes. The depreciation of the aircraft would be great indeed.

Trump border czar admits not all undocumented migrants will be removed

Tom Homan said he is being "realistic" with how many undocumented migrants will be removed from the U.S., citing costs.

www.newsweek.com

 

[eohrnberger]

The Pentagon is not going to turn over its airlift capacity and capability to Tom Homan to deport a million immigrants throughout 2025.

It is this type of thinking which is what results when you delve into a bottomless pit of hyperbole stacked on hyperbole.
Right now it is clear that the focus is on illegal aliens who have committed crimes and / or are a threat to public safety. Nothing more.
Repatriating that group of people isn't going to consume the military's airlift capacity and capability.

It is further assinine thinking to believe that all 11M illegals are going to be moved out in a single year.

Realistically, there are any number of bottlenecks in the process of apprehension and deportation process which is going to cap the maximum for any single week.
I'd hazard a guess that at most those bottlenecks could handle 1,000 persons in any week, and there are going to be weeks where there are far fewer.

This fact supersedes any concern that foreign nations will be bludgeoned into accepting US military deportation flights.

Your hyperbole supersedes and exceeds anything realistic or reality based.

Mass removals could cost the U.S. $315 billion for a one-time effort, according to the American Immigration Council. The long-term cost of deporting a million people per year could average $88 billion annually, totaling $967.9 billion over a decade. This would require a vast expansion of detention and court systems.

More hyperbole. The focus is on illegal aliens who have committed crimes and / or are a threat to public safety. Nothing more.
Once all the identified high priority threats to public safety have been deported, then the administration will see what the situation is and what next steps it needs to take, or maybe none.

. . . and you continue your spinning out of control below.

Even factoring in that a sufficient number of chartered commercial flights could be funded indefinitely by Congress -- which of course is highly unlikely -- that's still a great expense by ICE and a huge wear and tear on the commercial charter planes, the pilots and crews in the air and on the ground, insurers and the companies owning and operating the chartered planes. The depreciation of the aircraft would be great indeed.

Trump border czar admits not all undocumented migrants will be removed

Tom Homan said he is being "realistic" with how many undocumented migrants will be removed from the U.S., citing costs.

www.newsweek.com

And your citation above already counters all your wild, unrealistic hyperbole which came above it.
Given this citation above, it would not be unrealistic that all of the top of this post of yours is nothing more than spewing FUD.

It's like the nurse is giving you an injection, call it a COVID vaccine, and they have to peel you off the celling or walls or something. Sheesh.

 

[Tangmo]

It is this type of thinking which is what results when you delve into a bottomless pit of hyperbole stacked on hyperbole.
Right now it is clear that the focus is on illegal aliens who have committed crimes and / or are a threat to public safety. Nothing more.
Repatriating that group of people isn't going to consume the military's airlift capacity and capability.

It is further assinine thinking to believe that all 11M illegals are going to be moved out in a single year.

Realistically, there are any number of bottlenecks in the process of apprehension and deportation process which is going to cap the maximum for any single week.
I'd hazard a guess that at most those bottlenecks could handle 1,000 persons in any week, and there are going to be weeks where there are far fewer.


Your hyperbole supersedes and exceeds anything realistic or reality based.


More hyperbole. The focus is on illegal aliens who have committed crimes and / or are a threat to public safety. Nothing more.
Once all the identified high priority threats to public safety have been deported, then the administration will see what the situation is and what next steps it needs to take, or maybe none.

. . . and you continue your spinning out of control below.

And your citation above already counters all your wild, unrealistic hyperbole which came above it.
Given this citation above, it would not be unrealistic that all of the top of this post of yours is nothing more than spewing FUD.

It's like the nurse is giving you an injection, call it a COVID vaccine, and they have to peel you off the celling or walls or something. Sheesh.

MagaMericans Posting Creed (3)

1) Say anything.
2) Deny everything.
3) Never say die.


MAGA !

 

[Callen]

MagaMericans Posting Creed (3)

1) Say anything.
2) Deny everything.
3) Never say die.


MAGA !

The Cohen doctrine

 

[Mithrae]

Say all that again when suggesting the US should accept "millions of undocumented" people. Why should the US roll over for this when even Mexico will not?

1. Those people choose to live in America, a country which purports to value people's freedom; even allowing that it's obviously not the sole or final deciding factor, dismissing their freedom of choice entirely simply because they aren't (yet) Americans would obviously be some form of racism/xenophobia/dismissal of human rights. If neither country 'wants them' but they're currently in America and that's where they want to be, seems like you'd need a pretty solid justification for trying to enforce a deportation ideology.
2. The USA has a significantly older population, longer life expectancy and lower fertility rates than Mexico, and hence much greater need for population replacement and a younger workforce to secure long-term economic viability. This is likely to be further exacerbated during Trump's term by a presumably small but steady exodus of educated liberals with the means to move to other developed countries with a safer democratic future.
3. While immigration overall is obviously a net economic positive, inasmuch as some small fraction of migrants may not bring individual economic benefits, the USA with its $27 trillion GDP obviously has a far greater capacity to absorb such migration than countries like Mexico or even Brazil with GDPs of $1.8 trillion and $2.2 trillion respectively.

Of course on the latter point, as we're seeing the USA can instead use its economic clout to bully those smaller countries into submission - as it has done for decades, heavily contributing to those migration patterns to begin with.

 

[Tangmo]

The Cohen doctrine

Well maybe, but I'd liken The MagaMerican Posting Doctrine to the Archie Bunker Doctrine that all opponents are meatheads.

 

[Rogue Valley]

You gotta love a country that won't take its citizens back.

Assuming all the paperwork was done correctly which, knowing the Trump administration and Standartenführer Tomas Homan, wasn't the case.

"Here's a plane load of Latinos. Take it and like it."

 

[Port & Starboard]

Trump got the word from "Petro" on hole 3.

Trump sends out 1 social media post on hole 5.

Petro folds up like a cheap lawn chair as Trump is putting out on hole 8.

Classic!

 

[Cope]

Mexico refuses to accept a U.S. deportation flight

The Mexican government has criticized President Donald Trump's unilateral immigration actions, and the landing would have required Mexico's assistance.

www.nbcnews.com

Call me sceptical, but I highly doubt Mexico and the nations of Central America are going to simply roll-over and accept millions of undocumented Trump deportees.

At least not without significant US increases in foreign aid to the affected countries.

Why or how could a country, any country, not accept it's citizens back?

 

[joluoto]

Assuming all the paperwork was done correctly which, knowing the Trump administration and Standartenführer Tomas Homan, wasn't the case.

"Here's a plane load of Latinos. Take it and like it."

"Some of them might be from Afghanistan or possibly Nevada, but that's basically the same thing":

 

[Callen]

Why or how could a country, any country, not accept it's citizens back?

If you had read the entire thread you would know that it was never about refusing their citizens.

 

[Artymoon]

No kidding. Nor do you know what will happen.

Which is why this site exists: for us to come here to opine and speculate. If this is the first time you're hearing of this, then you're welcome.