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Mental illness kills.

Grandpappy said:
You don't have a car?
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I said I don't listen to a radio.

To be fair, I had a second home in Raleigh for a few years. It was a 9-10 hour ride and occasionally I'd put on the radio just to get the local flavor of things once I got beneath Richmond. It was pretty wild. It really is a completely different culture.

And I pretty much never have the radio on when I drive.
 
Grandpappy said:
I heard on the radio this morning some of the things the crazy Uvalde kid did as a kid, as told by the kids he grew up with.
He was bullied because he stuttered. He tortured cats, and actually beheaded his own family cat. Most of his peers knew something was wrong with the kid.
We need to figure out some kind of way to keep people like this from buying guns.
Ideas?
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Do you see a sign?

These kids are showing red flags. The classmates are not surprised. The shooters are literally saying they want to commit crimes. Sometimes like in the case of the Buffalo shooter, he had a psychiatric evaluation and bought a gun later.

It seems simple. Create a red flag where once a person is flagged, they are banned from buying a gun until they are 30.
 
Grandpappy said:
Maybe. A state hospital system like we had in the 60s without the abuse, possibly. It may be a good investment.
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Do you really think healthcare would stop these shootings?
 
Rucker61 said:
Are you asking people to give up their rights in order to protect children?
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Give up a right that impedes on another? The right to life...

Nah, reap what you sow
 
Rucker61 said:
Are you asking people to give up their rights in order to protect children?
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This isn’t a dichotomy. You can regulate AND protect gun rights. Guns are already restricted to 18. Maybe we should make the legal age 21 across the board for all guns? We KNOW waiting periods are effective. A two week waiting period doesn’t infringe on the ability to buy guns. There are policies we can put in place that reduce gun violence AND allow people to continue purchasing and owning firearms.
 
Bucky said:
Do you see a sign?

These kids are showing red flags. The classmates are not surprised. The shooters are literally saying they want to commit crimes. Sometimes like in the case of the Buffalo shooter, he had a psychiatric evaluation and bought a gun later.

It seems simple. Create a red flag where once a person is flagged, they are banned from buying a gun until they are 30.
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This is so dumb. This red flag crap is nonsense.
 
Grandpappy said:
I heard on the radio this morning some of the things the crazy Uvalde kid did as a kid, as told by the kids he grew up with.
He was bullied because he stuttered. He tortured cats, and actually beheaded his own family cat. Most of his peers knew something was wrong with the kid.
We need to figure out some kind of way to keep people like this from buying guns.
Ideas?
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Why should he not be armed? He wasn't a criminal.
 
Grandpappy said:
Maybe. A state hospital system like we had in the 60s without the abuse, possibly. It may be a good investment.
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Out patient with support.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Why should he not be armed? He wasn't a criminal.
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Don't you think a person that says wants to commit a mass shooting or a murder should not be able to purchase a firearm?

It is a simple yes or no question.
 
Spunkylama said:
Give up a right that impedes on another? The right to life...

Nah, reap what you sow
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No one actually has a right to perfect safety.

The abuse of thr right is the problem.

I'll ask again. Should we give up rights to protect children?
 
Grandpappy said:
Actually, he was. Animal cruelty is a crime.
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Hang on.

Kicking the **** out of every cat you see now disqualifies Americans from owning guns?

How about deer hunting?
 
Rucker61 said:
No one actually has a right to perfect safety.

The abuse of thr right is the problem.

I'll ask again. Should we give up rights to protect children?
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Either you are pro-life or you aren't.
 
Grandpappy said:
Maybe. Also it may help with the proliferation of homeless people.
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At very best, minimally.

Society is simply very structured today. As such, not everyone fits in or fits in awkwardly.
This structure stifles upward mobility and even self care.
Someone who may have thrived as a hunter or gatherer may be a bum in today's world. A narcissistic as Trump may well have been the village idiot in 1500.

These problems are not going away.
We need to remove the guns.
 
Bucky said:
Don't you think a person that says wants to commit a mass shooting or a murder should not be able to purchase a firearm?

It is a simple yes or no question.
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No. He's not a criminal.

Do you think our laws prohibit people who talk a big game from buying weapons?
 
Rucker61 said:
No one actually has a right to perfect safety.

The abuse of thr right is the problem.

I'll ask again. Should we give up rights to protect children?
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The problem is all around.

We have laws that are not enforced.

In liberal cities like San Francisco for example, people commit gun violence and the prosecutor refuses to charge those individuals.
 
CaughtInThe said:
No. He's not a criminal.

Do you think our laws prohibit people who talk a big game from buying weapons?
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I just want to establish this on a record:

A person that literally says he wants to shoot up children should not be restricted to buy a gun?
 
Bucky said:
Have you heard of a no-fly list? Not all people on a no-fly list are criminals.
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So raking away freedoms is today's battle cry from the right.

How appropriate.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
This isn’t a dichotomy. You can regulate ANaD protect gun rights. Guns are already restricted to 18. Maybe we should make the legal age 21 across the board for all guns? We KNOW waiting periods are effective. A two week waiting period doesn’t infringe on the ability to buy guns. There are policies we can put in place that reduce gun violence AND allow people to continue purchasing and owning firearms.
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The OP wrote: "There is nothing we can do because to the right their guns are more important that the lives of children". This clearly implies subjugating all 2A protected rights to any law that GCAs would put in place to protect children.
 
Bucky said:
The problem is all around.

We have laws that are not enforced.

In liberal cities like San Francisco for example, people commit gun violence and the prosecutor refuses to charge those individuals.
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Link.

Thanks
 
Bucky said:
I just want to establish this on a record:

A person that literally says he wants to shoot up children should not be restricted to buy a gun?
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Are you asking me my opinion or how our laws work?
 
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