Men not being involved in the abortion debate

[Waddy]

No you cannot.

Can I refuse to pay child support if she doesn't get an abortion like I wanted her to?

 

[Waddy]

HE HAS WAYS TO KNOW SHE WON'T GET PREGNANT. Like getting himself sterilized. Like avoiding one specific type of sex act (while not avoiding the rest). Like picking a woman who is past menopause or who had herself sterilized. It is entirely his own stupidity if he doesn't do due diligence.

She might be a liar and trick him !!! Women are like that. They will save a condom to get the sperm from it and impregnate themselves.

 

[minnie616]

She might be a liar and trick him !!! Women are like that. They will save a condom to get the sperm from it and impregnate themselves.

Hint:

If you are afraid a woman will save a condom to use to impregnate themselves, dispose of the used condom yourself.

According to this study about 16 percent of pregnancies are caused because men hide birth control pills or poke holes in condomsor pressure the woman to become pregnant.


Reproductive Coercion: When Men Sabotage Birth Control

Surveying 641 women who received routine ob-gyn care at Providence’s Women and Infants Hospital, Clark found that 16 percent had received unwelcome pressure to get pregnant. Their boyfriends and partners made it hard for them to use birth control — poking holes in condoms or hiding their pills — or threatened to leave or harm them if they didn’t get pregnant.

Read more:

https://www.thecut.com/2013/05/when-men-sabotage-birth-control.html

 

[tecoyah]

can i refuse to pay child support if she doesn't get an abortion like i wanted her to?

...........yes............

 

[year2late]

Well, in the interest of my best health she should get an abortion. Can I compel her to do so on those grounds?

I hope you are kidding.

 

[year2late]

She might be a liar and trick him !!! Women are like that. They will save a condom to get the sperm from it and impregnate themselves.

So, she takes the condom from you and locks it up so you cannot dispose of it yourself?

 

[FutureIncoming]

She might be a liar and trick him !!!

CAN'T SUCCEED IF HE IS STERILIZED. Can't succeed if she is obviously past menopause (say, older than 70 --and there are polite ways to estimate a lady's age, like asking her what "class" she graduated high school or college, and then doing a bit of calculation). Can't succeed if sperm is kept away from vagina. What part of "due diligence" are you failing to understand?

Women are like that. They will save a condom to get the sperm from it and impregnate themselves.

ONLY SOME ARE LIKE THAT. And how is it the man cannot take control of his own condom? What part of "due diligence" (including, for example, seeking to verify various claims she might have made, such as having had her tubes tied), are you failing to understand?

 

[Waddy]

So, she takes the condom from you and locks it up so you cannot dispose of it yourself?

They've been known to dig it out of the trash. Better to burn it. of course, not while it's still on...

 

[Waddy]

Hint:

If you are afraid a woman will save a condom to use to impregnate themselves, dispose of the used condom yourself.

According to this study about 16 percent of pregnancies are caused because men hide birth control pills or poke holes in condomsor pressure the woman to become pregnant.


Reproductive Coercion: When Men Sabotage Birth Control



Read more:

https://www.thecut.com/2013/05/when-men-sabotage-birth-control.html

Well, those guys need to pay. They are purposefully getting her pregnant.

 

[Waddy]

Women's rights !! Women's rights !!! Blah, blah, blah. Women are like postage stamps; lick 'em, stick 'em, and send 'em away........

 

[Lursa]

I think men should have a legal say in what happens to the baby. Either way he's already involved.

Who said anything about the state? Women have taken men to court for child support for children the man did not father. Judges have ruled that a man must pay child support for kids that they did not father. Seems grossly unfair.

First, I wrote that I agree it's wrong for the courts to make men pay for kids that arent theirs. However I'm pretty sure the state is doing so in the best interests of the child.

And men do legally have a say in what happens with a baby.

The unborn is not a baby.

 

[Lursa]

Can I refuse to pay child support if she doesn't get an abortion like I wanted her to?

No...can you explain why you should be able to?

 

[Lursa]

She might be a liar and trick him !!! Women are like that. They will save a condom to get the sperm from it and impregnate themselves.

Trick men? No! :doh

Like the men that coerce women into having sex with them by telling them they love them and promise to marry them if they get pregnant?

Please, both sides pull that dishonest crap.

 

[Lursa]

Hint:

If you are afraid a woman will save a condom to use to impregnate themselves, dispose of the used condom yourself.

According to this study about 16 percent of pregnancies are caused because men hide birth control pills or poke holes in condomsor pressure the woman to become pregnant.


Reproductive Coercion: When Men Sabotage Birth Control



Read more:

https://www.thecut.com/2013/05/when-men-sabotage-birth-control.html

Yup...men do that so that the women will become dependent on them and wont leave them.

I know of a couple of cases where guys did it to keep their girlfriends from leaving them to go to college.

 

[Lursa]

They've been known to dig it out of the trash. Better to burn it. of course, not while it's still on...

Well if you are worried for yourself...are you having sex with the kind of women that will do that?

 

[Lursa]

Women's rights !! Women's rights !!! Blah, blah, blah. Women are like postage stamps; lick 'em, stick 'em, and send 'em away........

*snicker* and being careless with birth control will get you a 18 years worth of postage due :lamo

 

[Waddy]

First, I wrote that I agree it's wrong for the courts to make men pay for kids that arent theirs. However I'm pretty sure the state is doing so in the best interests of the child.

And men do legally have a say in what happens with a baby.

The unborn is not a baby.

The difference between a baby and a fetus is one is wanted the other is not.

 

[Waddy]

No...can you explain why you should be able to?

Because I don't want the baby. if she does, let her pay it's way.

 

[Waddy]

Trick men? No! :doh

Like the men that coerce women into having sex with them by telling them they love them and promise to marry them if they get pregnant?

Please, both sides pull that dishonest crap.

Only stupid women believe that line.

 

[Waddy]

Well if you are worried for yourself...are you having sex with the kind of women that will do that?

That's it; make it personal. Just like a woman. Fight fair; I haven't suggested your comments reflect personal habits. Do they? Did you get knocked up and left holding the baby?

 

[Waddy]

*snicker* and being careless with birth control will get you a 18 years worth of postage due :lamo

Only if they can find me... There's probably a couple still lookin'...

 

[year2late]

Only if they can find me... There's probably a couple still lookin'...

Good gracious.

 

[FutureIncoming]

The difference between a baby and a fetus is one is wanted the other is not.

PROPAGANDA IS NOT OBJECTIVELY VALID. There is an exact scientific reason why Birth Makes A Huge Difference between an unborn human and any ordinary "baby" or "child". While I'm aware that "old habits die hard", and the habit of calling an unborn human a "baby" is thousands of years old, when a habit is proved to be a wrong thing, it does tend to be changed, eventually (1/3 of the US adult population used to be habitual smokers --but its a lot smaller fraction today).

 

[Waddy]

PROPAGANDA IS NOT OBJECTIVELY VALID. There is an exact scientific reason why Birth Makes A Huge Difference between an unborn human and any ordinary "baby" or "child". While I'm aware that "old habits die hard", and the habit of calling an unborn human a "baby" is thousands of years old, when a habit is proved to be a wrong thing, it does tend to be changed, eventually (1/3 of the US adult population used to be habitual smokers --but its a lot smaller fraction today).

Like I said; the difference between a baby and a fetus is one is wanted and one is not. When we talk abortion it is always a non-human fetus, with no human rights, we're killing. But in most states if a pregnant woman is killed the perp can be charged in the death of both mother and child; the child being considered human and with the right to life. Then it's a baby because it was wanted and will be missed. So the law agrees with my definition, not yours.

 

[Lursa]

The difference between a baby and a fetus is one is wanted the other is not.

Ah...where is that in the dictionary?

You made that up.