Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.....

[MMC]

BO and his Team are being called out over this group Khurasan.....as now many are discovering it is the concern we had before with AQAP and al Nusra with ISIS. All working together to make Bombs. Which we had the thread up on that with the Bomb maker Asiri looking to but bombs inside of people, and to make non detectable bombs. Which BO and his team has known about for some time. What do you think about this? Also BO said AQ was decimated......that's core AQ. Yet they know the Z-Man sent and assisted in getting them set up inside Syria. So much for BO and his excuse about core AQ.....huh?



Up until late last week, no US official had ever publicly mentioned the terrorist group known as the Khurasan. On Monday night, the US carried out unilateral airstrikes against the previously unknown group in northwest Syria. Khorasan was involved in "imminent attack plotting" against the US and its interests along with Europe, the Pentagon said Tuesday . The group has been portrayed as a collection of top Al Qaeda officials from Central Asia who have been taking advantage of the chaos in Syria to establish training camps. In a statement from the White House, US President Barack Obama called them "seasoned" Al Qaeda operatives.

BuzzFeed's Rosie Gray reports that Khorasan appears to have been connected to I brahim al-Asiri , the master bomb maker in Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). The group is believed to be led by Muhsin al-Fadhli, a senior Al Qaeda operative and a close confidant of Osama bin Laden. This conflation of Al Qaeda members and franchises in Syria has led to debate about whether Khorasan is an independent Al Qaeda franchise or a subset of Nusra. Aaron Zelin, a Richard Borow Fellow at the Washington Institute think tank and the founder of Jihadology, believes that the two groups are one in the same.

It’s cute Pentagon is literally making up new group called ‘Khurasan’ when it’s just AQ AfPak/Iran guys in JN. Don’t get my gov sometimes.....snip~

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/meet-khorasan-terrorist-group-thats-151300221.html

 

[Beaudreaux]

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It's all in the spin. Don't want to admit you were wrong about AQ? Make up another name and pretend they aren't really just AQ. Kinda like ISIS did (or is it ISIL, or IS, or whatever we call them today) - and the Administration is more than happy to go along with it.

But wait, the Administration says that they already have the legal authority go after these guys because of the original AUMF's from Congress which were for AQ? So, which is it? AQ but by another name, or a new and different group since BO and his team had defeated AQ, which would mean the AUMF's are not valid for these groups?

As Sir Walter Scott is quoted as saying - "Oh, what a tangled web we weave. When first we practise to deceive!"

 

[Rogue Valley]

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According to Islamist postings on Twitter, Muhsin al-Fadhli was martyred (killed) last week during a massive Tomahawk missile strike near Aleppo.

 

[MMC]

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According to Islamist postings on Twitter, Muhsin al-Fadhli was martyred (killed) last week during a massive Tomahawk missile strike near Aleppo.

Heya Simplexity. :2wave: Yep they confirmed yesterday they killed him. But BO has known about these guys for sometime.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

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Khorasan, explained: why the US is bombing an al-Qaeda group you?ve never heard of - Vox

 

[EMNofSeattle]

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Khorasan comes from a province in Iran, it was a group of Sunnis who agitated from Iran and the Iranians tolerated them, until the crISIS when extremist Sunnis started holy war against the Shia heretics, so Iran, which is Shia, gave them the eviction notice. They were literally a drinking club last year.

Why did this come out? Because the Obama administration wanted Sunni Arab states to help bomb ISIS, problem being, the Sunni states don't mind ISIS because as long as the Sunnis are going to jihad somewhere else it's not their problem, and portions of their population are sympathetic to ISIS, how do we solve this? A group once sponsored by heretic Shia Iran! Viola the Khorasan group...... Now the Arabs states can tell their people they were really bombing Iranians and not Sunni Arabs...

 

[Excon]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

September 27, 2014 4:00 AM
The Khorosan Group Does Not Exist

It’s a fictitious name the Obama administration invented to deceive us.​

By Andrew C. McCarthy

[...]

Now, the president has been compelled to act against a jihad that has neither ended nor been “decimated.” The jihad, in fact, has inevitably intensified under his counterfactual worldview, which holds that empowering Islamic supremacists is the path to security and stability. Yet even as war intensifies in Iraq and Syria — even as jihadists continue advancing, continue killing and capturing hapless opposition forces on the ground despite Obama’s futile air raids — the president won’t let go of the charade.

Hence, Obama gives us the Khorosan Group.

The who?

There is a reason that no one had heard of such a group until a nanosecond ago, when the “Khorosan Group” suddenly went from anonymity to the “imminent threat” that became the rationale for an emergency air war there was supposedly no time to ask Congress to authorize.

You haven’t heard of the Khorosan Group because there isn’t one. It is a name the administration came up with, calculating that Khorosan — the –Iranian–​Afghan border region — had sufficient connection to jihadist lore that no one would call the president on it.

[...]

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The Khorosan Group Does Not Exist | National Review Online​

 

[MMC]

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It's all in the spin. Don't want to admit you were wrong about AQ? Make up another name and pretend they aren't really just AQ. Kinda like ISIS did (or is it ISIL, or IS, or whatever we call them today) - and the Administration is more than happy to go along with it.

But wait, the Administration says that they already have the legal authority go after these guys because of the original AUMF's from Congress which were for AQ? So, which is it? AQ but by another name, or a new and different group since BO and his team had defeated AQ, which would mean the AUMF's are not valid for these groups?

As Sir Walter Scott is quoted as saying - "Oh, what a tangled web we weave. When first we practise to deceive!"

It doesn't matter as The AUMF BO is using was the very same he was looking to repeal under Bush. But you are correct Beaudreaux. :2wave: Using the Imminent Threat is what he feels has him covered. Here is where he got caught up. As it goes back to June wherein we had the thread up here, even.....and he didn't set the nation at its Highest Alert for this Anniversary of 911. Yet now he needs to all due to Asiri. Whom we knew was there and we had asked the Europeans to get a bit stricter with their inspections of Flights to the US......back then.



Terrorists Team Up in Syria to Build Next Generation of Bombs.....

An alliance has been building inside war-ravaged Syria, with al Qaeda-linked terrorists there now working alongside hardened operatives from the prolific al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen to develop a new generation of bombs that could be smuggled aboard commercial planes, ABC News has learned.

The U.S. government had obtained intelligence that associates of an al Qaeda affiliate in Syria – the Al Nusrah Front – and extreme elements of other radical groups were being joined by operatives from al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemen-based group behind the failed underwear bomb plot on Christmas Day 2009 and the plot a year later to take down cargo planes over the United States with explosives packed into printer cartridges.

And the groups are jointly working to produce new and “creative” designs for nonmetallic explosives, leading U.S. analysts to believe that the group of radicals, who have worked with Al Nusrah Front, might be looking to target a U.S.- or European-bound plane, sources told ABC News.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/197677-terrorists-syria-working-stealth-bombs.html

 

[Beaudreaux]

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It doesn't matter as The AUMF BO is using was the very same he was looking to repeal under Bush. But you are correct Beaudreaux. :2wave: Using the Imminent Threat is what he feels has him covered. Here is where he got caught up. As it goes back to June wherein we had the thread up here, even.....and he didn't set the nation at its Highest Alert for this Anniversary of 911. Yet now he needs to all due to Asiri. Whom we knew was there and we had asked the Europeans to get a bit stricter with their inspections of Flights to the US......back then.



Terrorists Team Up in Syria to Build Next Generation of Bombs.....

An alliance has been building inside war-ravaged Syria, with al Qaeda-linked terrorists there now working alongside hardened operatives from the prolific al Qaeda affiliate in Yemen to develop a new generation of bombs that could be smuggled aboard commercial planes, ABC News has learned.

The U.S. government had obtained intelligence that associates of an al Qaeda affiliate in Syria – the Al Nusrah Front – and extreme elements of other radical groups were being joined by operatives from al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemen-based group behind the failed underwear bomb plot on Christmas Day 2009 and the plot a year later to take down cargo planes over the United States with explosives packed into printer cartridges.

And the groups are jointly working to produce new and “creative” designs for nonmetallic explosives, leading U.S. analysts to believe that the group of radicals, who have worked with Al Nusrah Front, might be looking to target a U.S.- or European-bound plane, sources told ABC News.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-terror/197677-terrorists-syria-working-stealth-bombs.html

I've heard both, that the AUMF's cover his actions, and that the War Powers Act gives him 90 days to act without Congressional approval as long as there is an "imminent threat."

There another old saying I use when dealing with the government in my business when I get competing reason from different government agents why they do not need do their job - "Get your stories (lies) straight, and then get back to me when you narrow it down to just one."

 

[spud_meister]

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or is it ISIL, or IS, or whatever we call them today)

ISIS and ISIL depend on your translation, but they mean the same thing, Syria and the Levant. IS is simpy Islamic State, because they've set up their own little state and it includes areas outside of Syria.

 

[MMC]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

I've heard both, that the AUMF's cover his actions, and that the War Powers Act gives him 90 days to act without Congressional approval as long as there is an "imminent threat."

There another old saying I use when dealing with the government in my business when I get competing reason from different government agents why they do not need do their job - "Get your stories (lies) straight, and then get back to me when you narrow it down to just one."

Well we did have a the threat level set high for July 1st.....same deal we had the thread up here back then too.


Officials: ISIS Terrorists May Target Europe and US Homeland, Threat 'Extremely High'

Engel's sources say that roughly 70 American nationals have taken up arms with ISIS in the region over the course of the violent unrest, with about a dozen "currently active:" McClatchy reported last week that thousands of Europeans have joined the jihad in Syria, and now Iraq -- worrying counter-terrorism officials, who call the 'tourism terrorism' numbers "unprecedented:"

At least 320 Germans and more than 2,000 other Europeans are thought to have made the trip -- so many that last week Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erodgan asked European nations to stop their citizens wanting to join the fight in Syria and now Iraq from traveling to Turkey...European Union Counter-Terrorism Coordinator Gilles de Kerchove this month noted that the phenomenon of young Muslims leaving Europe to fight elsewhere is decades old. But the current numbers dwarf previous migrations. He described the current flow as “huge.” “Compared to previous jihads, it’s unprecedented,” he said. The trend is openly discussed in Germany, France, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Italy. Europe has long needed immigrant labor, but it has done little to integrate those who come from Muslim regions--North Africa, Pakistan and the Middle East. Their children often grow up without close ties to their adopted nations and end up finding a sense of community online and in the radical splinters of Islam set up to prey upon the lost.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/war-t...pe-and-us-homeland-threat-extremely-high.html

 

[Montecresto]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

The first time we heard that Al Qaeda was "decimated" was in May of 2003. The various Muslim extremist groups may have a host of names but they share ideologies quite often. Containment was the best tool against them, used well by Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad.

 

[Excon]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

The various Muslim extremist groups may have a host of names but they share ideologies quite often.

Yes. It is called Islam as written and taught.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

ISIS and ISIL depend on your translation, but they mean the same thing, Syria and the Levant. IS is simpy Islamic State, because they've set up their own little state and it includes areas outside of Syria.

Thanks Spud, but I knew that. I was just making a point that names are transferable by the speaker and that they can mean the same thing.

 

[Helix]

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Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.....

this is always the case. two snakes grew from the corpse of the other one. these snakes can only be successfully repelled by regional powers, not by us.

 

[lifeisshort]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

OB had to come up with a new name for Alquida because he told us they were decimated. Simple as that.

 

[MadLib]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

September 27, 2014 4:00 AM
The Khorosan Group Does Not Exist

It’s a fictitious name the Obama administration invented to deceive us.​

By Andrew C. McCarthy

[...]

Now, the president has been compelled to act against a jihad that has neither ended nor been “decimated.” The jihad, in fact, has inevitably intensified under his counterfactual worldview, which holds that empowering Islamic supremacists is the path to security and stability. Yet even as war intensifies in Iraq and Syria — even as jihadists continue advancing, continue killing and capturing hapless opposition forces on the ground despite Obama’s futile air raids — the president won’t let go of the charade.

Hence, Obama gives us the Khorosan Group.

The who?

There is a reason that no one had heard of such a group until a nanosecond ago, when the “Khorosan Group” suddenly went from anonymity to the “imminent threat” that became the rationale for an emergency air war there was supposedly no time to ask Congress to authorize.

You haven’t heard of the Khorosan Group because there isn’t one. It is a name the administration came up with, calculating that Khorosan — the –Iranian–​Afghan border region — had sufficient connection to jihadist lore that no one would call the president on it.

[...]

​

The Khorosan Group Does Not Exist | National Review Online​

 

[Excon]

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If it is, that picture of you fits right in.

 

[matchlight]

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Heya Simplexity. :2wave: Yep they confirmed yesterday they killed him. But BO has known about these guys for sometime.

This article by an expert's expert on Muslim jihadists and groups makes me less than sure this person was killed.

Al Qaeda leader claims key operative in so-called 'Khorasan group' was killed - The Long War Journal

 

[MMC]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

This article by an expert's expert on Muslim jihadists and groups makes me less than sure this person was killed.

Al Qaeda leader claims key operative in so-called 'Khorasan group' was killed - The Long War Journal

Mornin' Matchlight. :2wave: I am familiar with the Long War Journal and check with them repeatedly. But in this instance they were broadcasting on Twitter and AQ member stated we had killed the leader.



Khorasan leader confirmed dead.....


Twitter account run by an Al Qaida member said the leader of the Al Qaida-linked Khorasan group was killed in a US air strike in Syria, SITE monitoring service said on Sunday, following several days of uncertainty over whether he survived the raid. A US official on September 24 said the United States believed Mohsin Al Fadhli, a senior Al Qaida operative, had been killed in a strike a day earlier, but the Pentagon said several hours later that it was still investigating what had happened to him.

In a message posted on September 27, the militant offered condolences for the death of Kuwaiti-born Fadhli, otherwise known as Abu Asmaa Al Kuwati or Abu Asmaa Al Jazrawi, following the September 23 air strike, SITE reported. SITE did not name the militant who reported Fadhli’s death but said he had trained under a close associate of Al Qaida leader Ayman Al Zawahiri and had fought in Khorasan before travelling to Syria.....snip~

 

[MadLib]

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If it is, that picture of you fits right in.

Do you think it's a conspiracy?

 

[Excon]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

Do you think it's a conspiracy?

Like I said.

If it is, that picture of you fits right in.​

You do understand what the word "if" signifies don't you?

 

[MadLib]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

Like I said.

If it is, that picture of you fits right in.​

You do understand what the word "if" signifies don't you?

I do indeed. I'm just curious as to whether you agree with the article's premise that the name "Khorasan Group" is a conspiracy by the Obama administration.

 

[Excon]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

I do indeed. I'm just curious as to whether you agree with the article's premise that the name "Khorasan Group" is a conspiracy by the Obama administration.

Why don't you address the topic.
Refute it if you can.
Your current endeavor of addressing me tells me you can't.

 

[MadLib]

Re: Meet The Khorasan, The Terrorist Group That's Suddenly A Bigger Threat Than ISIS.

Why don't you address the topic.
Refute it if you can.
Your current endeavour of addressing me, says you can't.

Sure thing.

The “Khorosan Group” is al-Qaeda. It is simply a faction within the global terror network’s Syrian franchise, “Jabhat al-Nusra.” Its leader, Mushin al-Fadhli (believed to have been killed in this week’s U.S.-led air strikes), was an intimate of Ayman al-Zawahiri, the emir of al-Qaeda who dispatched him to the jihad in Syria. Except that if you listen to administration officials long enough, you come away thinking that Zawahiri is not really al-Qaeda, either. Instead, he’s something the administration is at pains to call “core al-Qaeda.”

“Core al-Qaeda,” you are to understand, is different from “Jabhat al-Nusra,” which in turn is distinct from “al-Qaeda in Iraq” (formerly “al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia,” now the “Islamic State” al-Qaeda spin-off that is, itself, formerly “al-Qaeda in Iraq and al-Sham” or “al-Qaeda in Iraq and the Levant”). That al-Qaeda, don’t you know, is a different outfit from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula . . . which, of course, should never be mistaken for “al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb,” “Boko Haram,” “Ansar al-Sharia,” or the latest entry, “al-Qaeda in the Indian Subcontinent.”

Coming soon, “al-Qaeda on Hollywood and Vine.” In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if, come 2015, Obama issued an executive order decreeing twelve new jihad jayvees stretching from al-Qaeda in January through al-Qaeda in December

What McCarthy doesn't seem to understand is that people call these groups different names for a reason. They are all separate organizations who ally and quarrel with each other; even though they all are Salafis who hate the West, they originated out of different contexts, have different goals, and use different methods. For example, no one denies that al-Nusra is an affiliate of al-Qaeda. But al-Qaeda (led by Zawahiri) is a global terror network based in Afghanistan and Pakistan whose main goal is to carry out terror attacks against the West, while al-Nusra is a rebel faction in Syria whose principle objective is to overthrow Assad. Therefore, giving the groups different names to reflect the reality of them being different is simply common sense. This is even more true when you realize that "Jabhat al-Nusra" is what they call themselves and what other Syrians call them.