Major sources at the State Supreme Court House in Manhattan have rumored the jury has deadlocked at 8 for acquittal. The judge has urged the jury to reconvene, work out their differences to avoid a mistrial. Acquittal or mistrial, Harvey Weinstein walks. Trial by media fails, along with the Me Too movement. Expect accusations of a fix, cowardice, and so forth in the media, echoed by protests. But Harvey walks away with his walker, free. Dumps the California case as expected low hanging fruit, right in the trash. He won't even need to make a personal appearance in the California courts.
It is difficult to get a rape conviction when both complainants maintained relationships, long after the supposed rapes, with the accused. One even claiming, in writing, he gave her the best orgasms of her life. Regretted sex acts are not rape.
Major sources at the State Supreme Court House in Manhattan have rumored the jury has deadlocked at 8 for acquittal. The judge has urged the jury to reconvene, work out their differences to avoid a mistrial. Acquittal or mistrial, Harvey Weinstein walks. Trial by media fails, along with the Me Too movement. Expect accusations of a fix, cowardice, and so forth in the media, echoed by protests. But Harvey walks away with his walker, free. Dumps the California case as expected low hanging fruit, right in the trash. He won't even need to make a personal appearance in the California courts.
It is difficult to get a rape conviction when both complainants maintained relationships, long after the supposed rapes, with the accused. One even claiming, in writing, he gave her the best orgasms of her life. Regretted sex acts are not rape.
Major sources at the State Supreme Court House in Manhattan have rumored the jury has deadlocked at 8 for acquittal. The judge has urged the jury to reconvene, work out their differences to avoid a mistrial. Acquittal or mistrial, Harvey Weinstein walks. Trial by media fails, along with the Me Too movement. Expect accusations of a fix, cowardice, and so forth in the media, echoed by protests. But Harvey walks away with his walker, free. Dumps the California case as expected low hanging fruit, right in the trash. He won't even need to make a personal appearance in the California courts.
It is difficult to get a rape conviction when both complainants maintained relationships, long after the supposed rapes, with the accused. One even claiming, in writing, he gave her the best orgasms of her life. Regretted sex acts are not rape.
Major sources at the State Supreme Court House in Manhattan have rumored the jury has deadlocked at 8 for acquittal. The judge has urged the jury to reconvene, work out their differences to avoid a mistrial. Acquittal or mistrial, Harvey Weinstein walks. Trial by media fails, along with the Me Too movement. Expect accusations of a fix, cowardice, and so forth in the media, echoed by protests. But Harvey walks away with his walker, free. Dumps the California case as expected low hanging fruit, right in the trash. He won't even need to make a personal appearance in the California courts.
It is difficult to get a rape conviction when both complainants maintained relationships, long after the supposed rapes, with the accused. One even claiming, in writing, he gave her the best orgasms of her life. Regretted sex acts are not rape.
The jury has not begun deliberations yet. They begin tomorrow.
I question how any "major source" could possibly know how the jury is leaning.
Please tell me why y'all think Harvey Weinstein is still a story.
Is it your collective prurient interests?
Is it because you like the movies he produced?
Is it because you are thinking he is getting a raw deal?
Is it because you want to see him drawn and quartered in a public square?
My feeling is that Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein are from the same toilet.
Why are those stories still being thrown out the public?
Big difference between a mistrial and acquittal.
Dear god dude, just don't. We heard enough crap like that during the Kavanaugh hearings, and we don't need any more. :doh
I do not know if Mr. Weinstein is innocent or guilty of the alleged acts.
However, I accept the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven in a court of law.
In this Forum we have people who have determined his guilt solely based on the allegations as reported in the Media. The same is true of much of the Public at large.
But that is the problem with the Court of Public Opinion. The media smears, the public hears, then reacts with condemnation and jeers...all on the presumption of guilty until proven innocent.
As I pointed out in a blog, the job of a Defense Attorney is not to prove their client innocent. That presumption already exists; at least in OUR Courts of Law.
The job is to show reasonable doubt.
Why? Whether it be Blackstone's Ratio ("It is better that 10 go free rather than one innocent suffer"), or Ben Franklin's "Better 100 guilty go free than one innocent person should suffer," the ideal is the same.
That based on a principle of required proof, such that no innocent person need be subjected to imprisonment or death.
My favorite movie is "12 Angry Men." It demonstrates both the basic expectations of evidentiary review one would hope to see in a jury deliberation, and the importance of keeping in mind the decision being made is life-changing.
So if this story turns out to be true (the OP provided no links) I applaud the Jury, and the defense that has led to this situation.
But in the spirit of "12 Angry Men," I would agree with the Judge insisting that the Jury continue to see if they can hash out a final decision.
"Pre-deliberation polls"?There are oral by the judge's law secretary, pre-deliberation polls, ask the court officers.
Major sources at the State Supreme Court House in Manhattan have rumored the jury has deadlocked at 8 for acquittal. The judge has urged the jury to reconvene, work out their differences to avoid a mistrial. Acquittal or mistrial, Harvey Weinstein walks. Trial by media fails, along with the Me Too movement. Expect accusations of a fix, cowardice, and so forth in the media, echoed by protests. But Harvey walks away with his walker, free. Dumps the California case as expected low hanging fruit, right in the trash. He won't even need to make a personal appearance in the California courts.
It is difficult to get a rape conviction when both complainants maintained relationships, long after the supposed rapes, with the accused. One even claiming, in writing, he gave her the best orgasms of her life. Regretted sex acts are not rape.
There are oral by the judge's law secretary, pre-deliberation polls, ask the court officers.
"Pre-deliberation polls"?
When were these polls taken?
Sshhhhh.He's lying.
Standard instructions are for the jurors to not think about or discuss the case, not even amongst themselves, until they are sent back for deliberations following final instructions. There is no "pre-deliberation poll".
Sshhhhh.
I know that. I wanted to see how long I could keep him going.
"I expect jury deliberations to continue probably into the end of the week, maybe into next," Weber said. "We might see an acquittal, we might see a hung jury. That's my expectation, given what I've seen from both sides. I've been there almost every day and me, on the outside, who has the benefit of more information and analysis, I'm even torn."
Major sources at the State Supreme Court House in Manhattan have rumored the jury has deadlocked at 8 for acquittal. The judge has urged the jury to reconvene, work out their differences to avoid a mistrial. Acquittal or mistrial, Harvey Weinstein walks. Trial by media fails, along with the Me Too movement. Expect accusations of a fix, cowardice, and so forth in the media, echoed by protests. But Harvey walks away with his walker, free. Dumps the California case as expected low hanging fruit, right in the trash. He won't even need to make a personal appearance in the California courts.
It is difficult to get a rape conviction when both complainants maintained relationships, long after the supposed rapes, with the accused. One even claiming, in writing, he gave her the best orgasms of her life. Regretted sex acts are not rape.
"Pre-deliberation polls"?
When were these polls taken?
This morning. Common custom in the Manhattan and Brooklyn City and State courts for notorious cases. The purpose, allegedly, for flushing bought (or un-bought) jurors. Dates back to the 1890's. A democratic party reform instituted by Tammany Hall. Today, accomplished with a phone call by the judge's law secretary, no court presence required. Extra court communications.
Now whether or not to take them seriously, or adjust thinking for rumor, you get to make your own decisions.
This morning. Common custom in the Manhattan and Brooklyn City and State courts for notorious cases. The purpose, allegedly, for flushing bought (or un-bought) jurors. Dates back to the 1890's. A democratic party reform instituted by Tammany Hall. Today, accomplished with a phone call by the judge's law secretary, no court presence required. Extra court communications.
Now whether or not to take them seriously, or adjust thinking for rumor, you get to make your own decisions.
He is not making it up, he just did not link to his source: Harvey Weinstein rape case expected to end in acquittal, hung jury: Analyst | Fox Business
Yup, one guy claims it, so it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is not making it up, he just did not link to his source: Harvey Weinstein rape case expected to end in acquittal, hung jury: Analyst | Fox Business
Yup, one guy claims it, so it must be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That link makes no mention of the "analyst" hearing from any of the jurors, as you said, it was the opinion of one observer who simply claimed to have more information.
Correct. He made that part up I am sure, especially since I can't find any evidence of those pre-deliberation polls.
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