Media Bias in the Vaccine Story

[jmotivator]

Yes, for a couple reasons. One, because the autism thing was linked only to the MMR vaccine. Many parents chose not to vaccinate their kids at all. And also because it is no longer in doubt.

I vilify parents who choose not to vaccinate because they're putting other people's children at risk too.

Ironically they are putting other parents children at risk who 1) were also unvaccinated or 2) were given vaccinations that didn't actually work.

 

[Jack Hays]

No, he makes it extremely clear that he was not saying the “science was inconclusive” about a link between autism and vaccines, but that the “science was inconclusive” on the causes of autism.

Sure he does.:roll:

There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.

 

[Jack Hays]

Speaking of dishonesty I was wondering what the hell you were talking about when you said that Obama stated that the science of vaccinations were inconclusive. The article said the purported link betwen AUTISM AND VACCINATIONS is inconclusive.

That's what I meant. I regret the imprecision. Since BHO's view on autism & vaccinations was my point, I did not think there would be any confusion.

 

[pbrauer]

Sure he does.:roll:

There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.

You've learned the right wing art of taking words out of context very well. Congrats.

 

[Jack Hays]

You've learned the right wing art of taking words out of context very well. Congrats.

The words are the words, and they are in context.

 

[pbrauer]

Speaking of dishonesty I was wondering what the hell you were talking about when you said that Obama stated that the science of vaccinations were inconclusive. The article said the purported link betwen AUTISM AND VACCINATIONS is inconclusive.

That's incorrect, Candidate Obama said the science of what causes autism was inconclusive.

 

[Jack Hays]

That's incorrect, Candidate Obama said the science of what causes autism was inconclusive.

False.

 

[pbrauer]

And autism, I think, is a prime candidate where we’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Nobody knows exactly why. There’s some people who are suspicious that it’s connected to vaccines and triggers, but… (pointing to his right) this person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it. Part of the reason I think it’s very important to research it is those vaccines are also preventing huge numbers of deaths among children and preventing debilitating illnesses like polio. And so we can’t afford to junk our vaccine system. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism. Because if we keep on seeing increases at the rate we’re seeing we’re never going to have enough money to provide all the special needs, special education funding that’s going to be necessary.


​In other words, we have to research the possible connection between autism and vaccines so we can address autism without giving up the benefits of vaccines.

False.

it's not false, you even quoted it in post #91,

 

[Jack Hays]

it's not false, you even quoted it in post #91,

Your red highlight makes my point, again.

 

[molten_dragon]

Ironically they are putting other parents children at risk who 1) were also unvaccinated or 2) were given vaccinations that didn't actually work.

Both true, but I'm not sure what your point is.

Some kids aren't able to get vaccines for medical reasons. And vaccines are effective, but not 100% effective. Herd immunity covers both situations as long as it's maintained. Unfortunately, we're rapidly approaching the point at which herd immunity breaks down.

I suspect, after that happens, you'll see vaccination rates increase pretty rapidly again, because the unvaccinated kids are going to start actually getting the diseases they weren't vaccinated for.

 

[pbrauer]

Your red highlight makes my point, again.

Whatever, the point is that Obama wasn't anti-vaccine like Chrisie is.

 

[Kobie]

Joe Scarborough brought that up on his show the other day and made them play that clip. I don't fault Obama for what he said then because anything should be researched and looked at. What I do find fault with is the way, as you accurately put it, the media jumped all over Christie for saying the exact same thing.

"The media" also "jumped all over Christie" in the wake of a measles outbreak that didn't exist when Obama made his comments seven years ago.

 

[tres borrachos]

"The media" also "jumped all over Christie" in the wake of a measles outbreak that didn't exist when Obama made his comments seven years ago.

I didn't say there was a measles outbreak when Obama said that. Did I?

 

[Kobie]

I didn't say there was a measles outbreak when Obama said that. Did I?

/sigh

I was providing context for why "the media" might be a little touchier about the subject. Chill.

 

[Jack Hays]

Whatever, the point is that Obama wasn't anti-vaccine like Chrisie is.

Another falsehood. Christie merely emphasized parental rights. BHO raised the question whether vaccines cause autism.

 

[tres borrachos]

/sigh

I was providing context for why "the media" might be a little touchier about the subject. Chill.

I already have some idea of why the media might be touchy when Christie says something.

Why are you putting "the media" in quotes by the way?

 

[pbrauer]

Another falsehood. Christie merely emphasized parental rights. BHO raised the question whether vaccines cause autism.

Christie tried to have it both ways... he emphasized parential rights, but he also talked them being mandated by government. As I've pointed out to you, candidate Obama was not anti-vaccines. In fact, he said the causes for autism was inconclusive. If he thought vaccines was the problem, his whole proposal would have been wrong.

 

[Jack Hays]

Christie tried to have it both ways... he emphasized parential rights, but he also talked them being mandated by government. As I've pointed out to you, candidate Obama was not anti-vaccines. In fact, he said the causes for autism was inconclusive. If he thought vaccines was the problem, his whole proposal would have been wrong.

BHO speculated that there might be a vaccine-autism link. Christie noted both sides of the question because there are, in fact, two sides.

 

[pbrauer]

BHO speculated that there might be a vaccine-autism link. Christie noted both sides of the question because there are, in fact, two sides.

:rofl That's why Romney lost the election.

 

[Jack Hays]

:rofl That's why Romney lost the election.

The fact there are two sides does not mean there are two sides meriting equal weight, and this has nothing to do with Romney.

 

[Kobie]

I already have some idea of why the media might be touchy when Christie says something.

Why are you putting "the media" in quotes by the way?

Force of habit, since it's not one monolothic entity.