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I asked for a simple example of his leadership and got two examples.
How much of a case do you need made? He repealed DADT, he got bin Laden, - oh. This issue requires 'bravery'? I think he's doing what needs to be done. Just because he's not taking the same path you would, it doesn't necessarily follow that he's a coward.
Congress repealed DADT. Obama refused to use his power to stop the expulstion of gays in the military
Ordering the military to get OBL is not brave. Anyone would have done the same thing
I am not calling him a coward because he disagrees with me. I am calling him a coward because he refuses to fight the GOP
I think you started great in recognizing that both parties deserve to be kicked out of office. Why did you ruin it by insinuating that Obama is any different (in quantity or quality) than any other politician.
And there's no point in giving you any examples of "leadership" because you just deny it. You still haven't explained why Obama's calling out of the "professional left" is not "leadership"
Obama is the most powerful politician in the world and he is usurping more power in pretty much every situation where he can’t get things done in congress by using federal branches of government to legislate law. He is very different because he has no respect for the Constitution of the United States or the rule of law. That is why I view him so differently than the other dirt bags.
Obama himself didn’t do anything in the example you gave. Presidents don’t lead through their press secretaries. Besides, the press secretary was simply snapping back at those on the left who were being critical of the President.
Look, I feel so bad for you that I’ll give you an example of when Obama showed some real leadership. When Obama worked out a deal with republicans to extend the Bush era tax cuts, it was an example of real leadership. He believed he had to do it and knew he was going to take a lot of heat from both parties but he took control of the situation and basically went over the heads of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to get a deal done that he knew he needed to get done.
Um, ok. I think they all suck and should all be thrown out of office, Republicans and Democrats alike. Some, like Obama however, are especially reprehensible because they always blame everyone else for their failures to lead and then act like they are the best thing to come along since sliced bread.
As long as Obama plays the “it’s not me, it’s them and Bush” game while trying to convince us he is a great leader, I’ll continue to cap on him.
I asked for a simple example of his leadership and got two examples. The only one that would have been a real example of leadership came from a conservative who was mistaken about what Obama did.
If you think this whole mess is the Republican's fault, I have no choice but to consider you a total homer and view your responses in that light. Try thinking outside the homer box for a change, it can be quite enlightening.
I’m not a Republican. In fact, I have almost as much disdain for John Boehner as I do for Obama but this thread is about the President and the Senate, not crybaby Boehner so you’ll have to wait to see me grill him.
Did you give up on your search?
1) His decision to not release the torture photos even though he had promised to release them and even though a majority of dems wanted him to release the photos
2) His decision to bail the auto industry despite the huge opposition to it
3) He did a bang up job of making sure that nearly all of the banksters suffered no criminal penalties for their crimes
4) He supports cuts to SS even though most dems strongly oppose them
5) He supports charter schools even though unions oppose them
I'll wait for you rejection of all of those as examples of leadership.
Unfortunately, BDBoop, too many people want instant changes. For example, according to the book, The Promise (page 4, paraphrasing here), "in a 48-hour period (between September 17-18, 2010) withdrawals from money market funds topped $400 billion overnight, when $5 billion was the norm." Think about that...
$400 billion dollars gone from the American economy in just two days. And the situation got progressively worse from there. But this is a snippet of just how bad things were at the time, yet people that this kind of economic disarray can be resolved in a few days. Two of our nation's largest investment banks fell within 60-90 days. Smaller banks then began to fall. From there many small businesses began to fold. Add to that two American auto makers were coming to the Treasury with their hands out following the banks. It's a wonder this country did fold under that much simultaneous pressure and volitility.
BDBoop,
That's why I continue to say folks who are so against Pres. Obama likely have no idea just how bad things were and how the initiative his Administration took really did save this country. Again, back away from talk radio and main stream news and read, girl, read!!!
Not me, man! No talk radio, no main stream news. I just go to news.google.com and use whatever search terms get me to where I'm going.
Who is the author of the book you quoted?
1) His decision to not release the torture photos even though he had promised to release them and even though a majority of dems wanted him to release the photos
2) His decision to bail the auto industry despite the huge opposition to it
3) He did a bang up job of making sure that nearly all of the banksters suffered no criminal penalties for their crimes
4) He supports cuts to SS even though most dems strongly oppose them
5) He supports charter schools even though unions oppose them
I'll wait for you rejection of all of those as examples of leadership.
From my post #156:
The Promise, by Jonathan Alter - outlines Obama's first 18 months in office
Obama's Wars, by Bob Woodward - details Obama's decision making process leading to his handling of the War on Terror in Afghanistan
Too Big to Fail, by Andrew Ross Sorkin - outlines in full detail the banking crisis
A failed example of leadership because this was an issue he created and when the pressure from the military, CIA and the public became too much, he reversed his position and caved. This is more of an example of his spinelessness.
Another failed example of leadership because the unions got him elected and he knew he would need them and their money for the 2012 elections. This was political cronyism 101, not leadership.
This isn’t even worth responding to.
Really? He supports cuts to social security? What has he done to show that other than giving it lip service depending upon the crowd sitting in front of him or the hot topic issue of the day? I haven’t heard him say anything about cutting social security in his last several speeches.
This one can’t be considered leadership until he takes action on it. If he does agree to SS cuts or restructuring, this might count as leadership. Paying lip service to the issue isn’t enough though.
Again, I haven’t seen any action on this from him. Just another example of lip service.
I didn’t reject them for the reasons you probably think though. In fact, I’ll give you another example of what I think was Obama leadership even though I vehemently disagreed with him on the issue. The Russian START II Treaty is an example of Obama showing some back bone and getting things done. He fought hard to get that legislation through.
So, in the end, he isn’t fighting hard to get this debt issue resolved because he thinks he can gain some political advantage by drawing it out and setting the stage and the tone for his 2012 campaign. That isn’t leadership either, that’s a snake oil salesman.
Without addressing efforts to invoke the Constitution, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., said Sunday the president and congressional negotiators shouldn't even be discussing a debt deal privately.
"Congress is the constitutional place for this to be decided," said Sessions, who is the ranking member of the Senate Budget Committee.
I zipped right through the free bit and promptly bought The Promise.
As I predicted, you would reject them all. And the false claims you've used to justify your rejections are unsurprising. Take the auto bailout. You make it sound like the unions made out, when the truth is, Obama forced them to take cuts in their pay and their benefits. Union presidents are now threatening to withold their support from him.
Just came across this article from FoxNews pertaining to some crazy notion that the President can raise the debt ceiling on his own without Congress using clause 4 of the 14th Amendment. Frankly, I think it's a crazy idea and would go against one of Congress' enumerated powers (appropriations from the Treasury in accordance with laws Congress passes). But what struck me as politicians talking out the side of their necks was this quote by Sen. Jeff Sessions:
When I read that I was like, "Really???" So, let me get this straight...
Before this 14th Amendment issue came up, the GOP was insisting that the President get involved in debt ceiling talks. But now suddenly not only shouldn't he hold private negotiations with congressional legislators, it's not his place to do so?
I'm :lol: because now a member of the GOP wants to fall behind "process" when it seems their party's stonewalling tactics on not raising the debt ceiling could be subverted. Hillarious!!!
It's dry reading, but you get good insight into the President's thinking, his decision making process and the make-up of his Administration. I've come away with a better understanding of the steps he took in certain situations both while on the campaign trail and once he got in office and why he took them. The author is even critical of his actions or inactions at certain points. A dry read, but a good read nonetheless. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Did you express these views in the thread dedicated to that issue? If so, I’ll respond soon.
Actually, the author thus far reminds me of Ann Rule, and how you barely know you're reading non-fiction because she is so engaging with her facts.
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