McCarthy to endorse Biden impeachment inquiry, setting up possible vote

[NatMorton]

You just want to play hypothetical here? And you claim not to be emotionally bias?

There is nothing emotional about posing a hypothetical.

There is, however, often something emotional at the root of those who avoid a hypothetical. And that emotion is usually fear.

 

[TangoNoCash]

If Joe Biden was meeting with Hunter's clients and splitting those lobbying proceeds then he is guilty of bribery. I understand that is not yet proven, but anyone who cannot acknowledge this hypothetical is not to be taken seriously on this subject.

So do you think selling pardons is okay? Serious question.

 

[NatMorton]

What if games are not evidence

I never claimed that they were. Building straw-men won't help you.

 

[NatMorton]

So do you think selling pardons is okay? Serious question.

No, I do not.

 

[ClaraD]

Yes, I am. A small government and one that ignores possible crimes committed by those in power are not one and the same.

Can I help you with anything else today?

a true small government person would be opposed to any intrusion by Congress into the private lives of citizens. There is no interest that they have. That is for law enforcement, the courts and never for Congress to intrude upon.

 

[Buckeyes85]

A text message he wrote to his daughter.

And any actual evidence that he really did? Don't you and most republicans believe Hunter to be a crack addict that can't be trusted? But if he says in a text he sent money to Joe, you take it as gospel?
Nothing inconsistent with that, right? And hasn't the IRS been scouring Hunter's income and taxes?

 

[NatMorton]

a true small government person would be opposed to any intrusion by Congress into the private lives of citizens. There is no interest that they have. That is for law enforcement, the courts and never for Congress to intrude upon.

Can you explain why I should consider you an authority on what constitutes credible advocacy for small government?

 

[TangoNoCash]

No, I do not.

Awesome, I agree. So should Trump have had another impeachment inquiry opened or a criminal investigation opened into the allegations that he was selling pardons? Seems like a similar accusation in scope. Let’s be fair at least.

Giuliani accused of offering to sell Trump pardons for $2 million each in new lawsuit

The suit includes allegations of sexual assault and harassment, as well as wage theft and discussions of plans to overturn the 2020 election.

www.nbcnews.com

Hopefully your not voting for more of that.

 

[ClaraD]

Can you explain why I should consider you an authority on what constitutes credible advocacy for small government?

allowing government intrusion, without a warrant...is the very essence of big government...look to decisions, the courts, our founding fathers, whatever...none will say that is small government in action. Due process, the right to not be subject to search and seizure, etc.....all make it clear the rights of private citizens....what warrant is Congress obtaining?

 

[eman623]

Opening impeachment hearings will give the House impeachment committee access to the Biden family's bank records. ALL of them. At least a dozen Biden family members received money or otherwise had bills or expenses paid by Hunter. They will all be targeted.

They may need to open a Biden crime family wing at Club Fed.

 

[NatMorton]

And any actual evidence that he really did? Don't you and most republicans believe Hunter to be a crack addict that can't be trusted? But if he says in a text he sent money to Joe, you take it as gospel?
Nothing inconsistent with that, right? And hasn't the IRS been scouring Hunter's income and taxes?

It came from a laptop that is now widely acknowledged to be Hunter's Once admitted as evidence, Congress can subpoena his message carrier provider to help authenticate the message. More importantly, they can subpoena Hunter's and Joe's financial records to see if there's a flow of money.

There is sufficient evidence to warrant and investigation, and anyone not lost in a partisan fog can see it.

 

[Michael Cole]

And any actual evidence that he really did? Don't you and most republicans believe Hunter to be a crack addict that can't be trusted? But if he says in a text he sent money to Joe, you take it as gospel?
Nothing inconsistent with that, right? And hasn't the IRS been scouring Hunter's income and taxes?

Is giving money to your father even illegal?

Nat is peddling bullshit. Even if there are bank records showing Joe Biden received money, without a corresponding official act done in return, they have nothing.

Of course, there are no records of this because Biden hasn't done anything wrong. That Nat has to present an unconfirmed email as evidence of a quid pro quo is not only desperate, it's only half the equation.

 

[ClaraD]

And any actual evidence that he really did? Don't you and most republicans believe Hunter to be a crack addict that can't be trusted? But if he says in a text he sent money to Joe, you take it as gospel?
Nothing inconsistent with that, right? And hasn't the IRS been scouring Hunter's income and taxes?

Is he talking about the fake WhatsApp text?

 

[NatMorton]

Awesome, I agree. So should Trump have had another impeachment inquiry opened or a criminal investigation opened into the allegations that he was selling pardons? Seems like a similar accusation in scope. Let’s be fair at least.

Giuliani accused of offering to sell Trump pardons for $2 million each in new lawsuit

The suit includes allegations of sexual assault and harassment, as well as wage theft and discussions of plans to overturn the 2020 election.

www.nbcnews.com

Hopefully your not voting for more of that.

This thread is not about Trump, and I suggest you try your deflection tactics on someone else. They're not going to work.

 

[ClaraD]

Opening impeachment hearings will give the House impeachment committee access to the Biden family's bank records. ALL of them. At least a dozen Biden family members received money or otherwise had bills or expenses paid by Hunter. They will all be targeted.

They may need to open a Biden crime family wing at Club Fed.

Why should Congress have access to any private citizen's bank records? should they be allowed to search yours as well?

 

[beefheart]

Opening impeachment hearings will give the House impeachment committee access to the Biden family's bank records. ALL of them. At least a dozen Biden family members received money or otherwise had bills or expenses paid by Hunter. They will all be targeted.

They may need to open a Biden crime family wing at Club Fed.

Gee, are they going to finally see Biden's income tax returns?

Oh, wait...

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Provided the frog were a Democrat you would say it's perfectly normal.

Wrong. I’m an equal opportunity critic.

 

[NatMorton]

allowing government intrusion, without a warrant...is the very essence of big government...look to decisions, the courts, our founding fathers, whatever...none will say that is small government in action. Due process, the right to not be subject to search and seizure, etc.....all make it clear the rights of private citizens....what warrant is Congress obtaining?

Congress has the power of subpoena. Did you not know that?

 

[Michael Cole]

Opening impeachment hearings will give the House impeachment committee access to the Biden family's bank records. ALL of them. At least a dozen Biden family members received money or otherwise had bills or expenses paid by Hunter. They will all be targeted.

They may need to open a Biden crime family wing at Club Fed.

So, they've just been unlucky so far? These are the big ones? You got him now?

What was the quid pro quo? You need one for an impeachment. Got any guesses? Names, official action taken by Biden.

What do you think? Did Biden forge Obama's signature on legislation that Obama wasn't going to sign? Did Joe hypnotize Senators to vote other than their conscience? Did Joe fire a prosecutor in a foreign country against the wishes of Obama, the US Senate, the EU, the IMF, the Ukrainian people and Parliament?

McCarthy is going to impeach the president for what? Is he planning on impeaching Biden for things he did before becoming president? Can we go back to his high scool days? Surely, we should be able to impeach someone for getting in trouble in high school.

People aren't stupid. Raskin and Goldman will eat the GOP alive. It's not going to be pretty.

 

[TangoNoCash]

This thread is not about Trump, and I suggest you try your deflection tactics on someone else. They're not going to work.

Right because it’s the same damn thing and you’re a hypocrite. I get it. You think Republicans should have different rules. I disagree but I understand the authoritarian logic.

 

[NatMorton]

Nat is peddling bullshit. Even if there are bank records showing Joe Biden received money, without a corresponding official act done in return, they have nothing.

Love it. If you saw evidence of Hunter paying large sums of money into Joe's account you'd write that off as nothing, too.

You folks are amazing.

 

[beefheart]

Love it. If you saw evidence of Hunter paying large sums of money into Joe's account you'd write that off as nothing, too.

You folks are amazing.

If.

If you actually had proof of any laws broken, we might take you seriously.

IF

 

[NatMorton]

Exactly as expected. Complete hypocrisy. Thank you. I’d bail out too.

You not only attempted to deflect, you're really bad at it, too.

First, I've rendered no opinion on the matter you raised, so you're in no position to claim my opinion is a hypocrisy.

Second, even though I'm someone who is clearly conservative, I supported both impeachment probes against Trump and believe he should have been convicted over the second.

I am not the one demonstrating hypocrisy here. The Sgt Schultz's in this thread are.

 

[NatMorton]

If.

If you actually had proof of any laws broken, we might take you seriously.

IF

You missed the point. Cole has already stated he would not consider money transfers from Hunter to Joe as evidence. How closed can one mind get?

 

[NatMorton]

Left-wing logic: Hypotheticals involving Joe Biden's guilt don't exist.