McCarthy drops out, House in chaos

[Anomalism]

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McCarthy drops out, House in chaos - POLITICO

Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) abandoned his bid for speaker Thursday afternoon just minutes before the election, throwing the House of Representatives into chaos and leaving the rowdy Republican Conference with no obvious replacement for departing Speaker John Boehner.

 

[Sherman123]

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McCarthy drops out, House in chaos - POLITICO

*sigh* another chance for the 'Freedom' caucus to get their man in and complete the ruination of our party.

 

[jmotivator]

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McCarthy drops out, House in chaos - POLITICO

I would question your definition of "chaos".

"DNC has not selected a Presidential candidate yet, party is in chaos" ... see how that works?

 

[Sykes]

I would question your definition of "chaos".

"DNC has not selected a Presidential candidate yet, party is in chaos" ... see how that works?

Lol, no. Nowhere near comparable.

 

[jmotivator]

Lol, no. Nowhere near comparable.

Of course it is. Democracy has broken out in the Speaker race... this apparently is "chaos". :roll:

 

[Anomalism]

I would question your definition of "chaos".

"DNC has not selected a Presidential candidate yet, party is in chaos" ... see how that works?

You should question Politico's definition of chaos, not mine.

 

[jmotivator]

You should question Politico's definition of chaos, not mine.

So do you agree with the Politico assessment or not?

 

[Anomalism]

So do you agree with the Politico assessment or not?

I agree that McCarthy dropped out. I posted this article because it was news. Me posting an article doesn't mean I automatically agree with everything it suggests.

 

[notquiteright]

I would question your definition of "chaos". "DNC has not selected a Presidential candidate yet, party is in chaos" ... see how that works?

Ahhh the CON game! the DNC doesn't have TP, and RINOs fighting for control of their party. Don't have a rebellion going on. DO have a bitter contest for the Speaker's seat that is separate from the clown car GOP presidential primary. Comparing the situation in both the Speaker's seat and the GOP presidential primary to the presidential primary in the DNP is absurd....

Almost as absurd as the GOP's current troubles... does anyone think Reagan would have thought this possible when he pandered to the SoCONs???? eace

 

[jet57]

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McCarthy drops out, House in chaos - POLITICO

Mccarthy's admittance that the Benghazi committee was a sham political hit to "stop Hillary" and his instant resignation, not to mention that Frank Lund admitted on CBS news this morning that there is a conservative element in the house that is controlling things, only shows us that the Republican party is in a shambles and has no chance of any leadership quality for this country. They are handing the election to Hillary Clinton, so the Republicans need to take the next nine years to figure out who they really are and exude this right-wing cabal that has infected American politics.

 

[Fenton]

Mccarthy's admittance that the Benghazi committee was a sham political hit to "stop Hillary" and his instant resignation, not to mention that Frank Lund admitted on CBS news this morning that there is a conservative element in the house that is controlling things, only shows us that the Republican party is in a shambles and has no chance of any leadership quality for this country. They are handing the election to Hillary Clinton, so the Republicans need to take the next nine years to figure out who they really are and exude this right-wing cabal that has infected American politics.

He admitted no such thing.

Wht are you being so dishonest ? And Hilary has to win the primary first. Good luck with that when there's going to be a continuous drip drip from her problems.

 

[jet57]

He admitted no such thing.

Wht are you being so dishonest ? And Hilary has to win the primary first. Good luck with that when there's going to be a continuous drip drip from her problems.

Kevin McCarthy: Benghazi Committee Helped Erode Hillary Clinton's Support - The Atlantic

Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened, had we not fought.

Yeah, he did.

And - it's out now that he's had an affair, so...

 

[Sykes]

Of course it is. Democracy has broken out in the Speaker race... this apparently is "chaos". :roll:

You honestly can't see the difference? Because if you can't, further discourse is useless.

 

[Fenton]

Kevin McCarthy: Benghazi Committee Helped Erode Hillary Clinton's Support - The Atlantic



Yeah, he did.

And - it's out now that he's had an affair, so...

No, he did not admit that it was a sham. Again, you're being totally dishonest.

Him saying that the Benghazi investigations have hurt her politically does not make those investigations a " sham "

Those are your words and the words of every left wing zealot whos desperately trying to mitigate what Clinton and the Obama administration did after 4 Americans lost their lives.

The Democrats and their supporters have been politicizing the deaths of those Americans since the night they died.

You people have no leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing ANYONE let alone McCarthy for ethical lapses.

 

[jmotivator]

Ahhh the CON game! the DNC doesn't have TP, and RINOs fighting for control of their party. Don't have a rebellion going on. DO have a bitter contest for the Speaker's seat that is separate from the clown car GOP presidential primary. Comparing the situation in both the Speaker's seat and the GOP presidential primary to the presidential primary in the DNP is absurd....

Almost as absurd as the GOP's current troubles... does anyone think Reagan would have thought this possible when he pandered to the SoCONs???? eace

The Bernie Sanders surge in the Democrat primaries is more of a rebellion than the race for Speaker.

 

[jmotivator]

You honestly can't see the difference? Because if you can't, further discourse is useless.

I think you are trying too hard to see a difference. "Chaos" is a stupid word to use in the case of the current Speaker race.

 

[jet57]

No, he did not admit that it was a sham. Again, you're being totally dishonest.

Him saying that the Benghazi investigations have hurt her politically does not make those investigations a " sham "

Those are your words and the words of every left wing zealot whos desperately trying to mitigate what Clinton and the Obama administration did after 4 Americans lost their lives.

The Democrats and their supporters have been politicizing the deaths of those Americans since the night they died.

You people have no leg to stand on when it comes to criticizing ANYONE let alone McCarthy for ethical lapses.

Oh, so now we're splitting hairs.

Me people?

Mccarthy admitted that Benghazi was purely political.

So - it was a sham, as I said.

 

[Frank Apisa]

I think you are trying too hard to see a difference. "Chaos" is a stupid word to use in the case of the current Speaker race.

I seldom agree with you, motivator, so I am going to take this rare opportunity to do so.

"Chaos" is a stupid, or at least a less than appropriate, word to use in the case of the current Speaker of the House fiasco being played out in full daylight before an entertained public.

Confusion, pandemonium, or laughable disarray would have been much more appropriate.

In any case, the GOP apparently cannot even govern its own party within the confines of the House of Representatives...so why on Earth would it feel qualified to govern our country?

Chutzpah is the word I would use for that aspect of consideration...although I think I would work "laughable" in as a modifier.

 

[jmotivator]

I seldom agree with you, motivator, so I am going to take this rare opportunity to do so.

"Chaos" is a stupid, or at least a less than appropriate, word to use in the case of the current Speaker of the House fiasco being played out in full daylight before an entertained public.

Confusion, pandemonium, or laughable disarray would have been much more appropriate.

In any case, the GOP apparently cannot even govern its own party within the confines of the House of Representatives...so why on Earth would it feel qualified to govern our country?

Chutzpah is the word I would use for that aspect of consideration...although I think I would work "laughable" in as a modifier.

The Speaker position is Democratically elected, not appointed, so the inability of the leadership to push through their favorite candidate is none of those things. Maybe Democrats are more conditioned to being strong-armed by their leadership? :shrug:

 

[Frank Apisa]

The Speaker position is Democratically elected, not appointed, so the inability of the leadership to push through their favorite candidate is none of those things. Maybe Democrats are more conditioned to being strong-armed by their leadership? :shrug:

I'll give you that, Motivator.

But leadership often requires being able to push through an agenda. And something as basic as choosing a Speaker is an agenda of sorts.

Look, I was being a wise-ass with my comment...but with a significant point in mind.

If this is the best that the GOP can do as a concerted political entity on something like this...why think they can do any better in the rough and tumble of governing a country...and engaging with foreign leaders?

 

[jmotivator]

I'll give you that, Motivator.

But leadership often requires being able to push through an agenda. And something as basic as choosing a Speaker is an agenda of sorts.

Look, I was being a wise-ass with my comment...but with a significant point in mind.

If this is the best that the GOP can do as a concerted political entity on something like this...why think they can do any better in the rough and tumble of governing a country...and engaging with foreign leaders?

And I am saying that you are making an absurd leap from a contentious Speaker election to how a party would govern the country. You'd think the Democrats never had a contentious party election! :roll:

Hence my point regarding the DNC primaries. "If the DNC can't anoint Hilary Clinton how can they be expected to govern a country?" is no more absurd a statement than yours.

 

[Fenton]

Oh, so now we're splitting hairs.

Me people?

Mccarthy admitted that Benghazi was purely political.

So - it was a sham, as I said.

No, he didn't say the Benghazi investigations were purely Political either.

Again, you're being dishonest. He said they were hurting Hillary's chances as they should be.

She and Obama and the Democrats and their supporters have been Politicizing the deaths of those people since the night they died

Honestly, knowing what we know now, who in their right mind would vote for her ?

 

[Frank Apisa]

No, he didn't say the Benghazi investigations were purely Political either.

Again, you're being dishonest. He said they were hurting Hillary's chances as they should be.

She and Obama and the Democrats and their supporters have been Politicizing the deaths of those people since the night they died

Honestly, knowing what we know now, who in their right mind would vote for her ?

I'm in my right mind.

I would vote for her.

In fact, if the person opposing her is chosen from the group currently on the Republican Clown Bus...I would vote for her with delight...with enthusiasm.

 

[eohrnberger]

The Speaker position is Democratically elected, not appointed, so the inability of the leadership to push through their favorite candidate is none of those things. Maybe Democrats are more conditioned to being strong-armed by their leadership? :shrug:

Posted the observation before that the Democrats, with their unified party position is in a much stronger negotiating position than the Republicans with their lack of party unification, so it's no wonder that they've made such little progress in moving their agenda and principals forward in spite of holding majorities in both houses of congress.

I don't see the downside, for example, of passing a budget that doesn't have all the spending that Obama wants, and making him veto it. Heck, it seems that the Republicans live in fear of Obama vetoing legislation, and from my view, they shouldn't be. Let him! Make him follow through on his promises of doing so.

 

[jet57]

No, he didn't say the Benghazi investigations were purely Political either.

Again, you're being dishonest. He said they were hurting Hillary's chances as they should be.

She and Obama and the Democrats and their supporters have been Politicizing the deaths of those people since the night they died

Honestly, knowing what we know now, who in their right mind would vote for her ?

The "prosecutorial post".

Nothing informative just partisan.