Maybe we actually do something this time?

[vegas giants]

You mean my love of rights, and protecting them.

You mispelled guns

 

[BretJ]

I am saying that you are REQUIRED to positively identify who you are to FEDERAL AUTHORITIES prior to getting in which is EXACTLY what a UBC and registration should do with a gun sale. These games are childish. They are not going to just trust you.

So when the FFL or I input the buyers drivers license number, proof of ID and pertinent details into the NICs and it comes back denied, no transfer takes place. What is the difference If I do it or an FFL does it? What crime is being prevented by going to an FFL rather than doing it myself? You say it stops a crime but have not explained what crime. That is something that could done right now with little work or extra cost. You can try and pass registration later but until then, this is doable now. If saving lives is the goal, what is the downside?

 

[vegas giants]

So when the FFL or I input the buyers drivers license number, proof of ID and pertinent details into the NICs and it comes back denied, no transfer takes place. What is the difference If I do it or an FFL does it? What crime is being prevented by going to an FFL rather than doing it myself? You say it stops a crime but have not explained what crime. That is something that could done right now with little work or extra cost. You can try and pass registration later but until then, this is doable now. If saving lives is the goal, what is the downside?

How many times do I have to say it has to be tied to registration to work?

 

[BretJ]

How many times do I have to say it has to be tied to registration to work?

It would work better than the current system and could be done now while someone trys to push registration legislation through the house, senate and supreme court. If registration passes SC scrutiny they would have to spend millions of dollars and take years of development and implimentation. What is the downfall of allowing private sellers to access NICs now while waiting for registration? (And what crime is prevented if an FFL does it instead of myself? You said it would prevent a crime...)

 

[flogger]

Please prove that was a result of gun control rather than other factors.

The onus is most definitly on you to prove that it wasn't given the pretty devastating evidence of my post

 

[vegas giants]

It would work better than the current system and could be done now while someone trys to push registration legislation through the house, senate and supreme court. If registration passes SC scrutiny they would have to spend millions of dollars and take years of development and implimentation. What is the downfall of allowing private sellers to access NICs now while waiting for registration? (And what crime is prevented if an FFL does it instead of myself? You said it would prevent a crime...)

There is no downfall at all. I am not opposed to it as a first step. But that's all it is

 

[flogger]

Please prove that was a result of gun control rather than other factors.

That is a consequence of the lack of gun control. Haven't you been paying attention ? Why do you accept the idea of killing each other so easily as some kind of birthright ?

I'm a combat veteran and believe me it isn't Hollywood glamorous in any way shape or form

 

[Moon]

You mispelled guns

I wrote exactly what I meant to write.

 

[vegas giants]

I wrote exactly what I meant to write.

As did I

 

[calamity]

that is like saying someone who has a forged passport was able to enter the country legally.

More like someone with a suspended license walking into a DMV and just getting another one, no questions asked.

 

[BretJ]

There is no downfall at all. I am not opposed to it as a first step. But that's all it is

You said a crime was being prevented by having NICs only run by FFLs rather than private sellers. If no transfer takes place after a denial, what crime is being prevented by having the FFL do it rather than the private seller?

 

[BretJ]

More like someone with a suspended license walking into a DMV and just getting another one, no questions asked.

In other words, the system only works if people do their jobs.

 

[calamity]

In other words, the system only works if people do their jobs.

In this case, it is not even clear that he was banned from owning a gun due to his discharge. And, Texas, from what I know, is notorious for not enforcing the DV gun ban. So, I see it less as the system not working than I see a rebel state being an asshole.

 

[vegas giants]

You said a crime was being prevented by having NICs only run by FFLs rather than private sellers. If no transfer takes place after a denial, what crime is being prevented by having the FFL do it rather than the private seller?

With the FFL I know it is done.

 

[TurtleDude]

More like someone with a suspended license walking into a DMV and just getting another one, no questions asked.

doesn't matter. its making the law on the books work better-not passing more laws that only harass honest people

 

[calamity]

doesn't matter. its making the law on the books work better-not passing more laws that only harass honest people

The only flaw with that argument is that the "honest people" excuse is wearing thin when on any given day one of those so-called honest people can go berserk and start shooting bullets into a crowd at a rate of 500 rounds a minute.

 

[jaeger19]

That's such BS. If you are not going to be honest why bother being here. You need a passport at the border and denying that is just playing a silly game

We already went through that.. You need to be honest. You will still be let into the US.

Dude.. seriously.. you need to stop floundering about with your absurd diversion tactics. You are only fooling yourself.

 

[TurtleDude]

The only flaw with that argument is that the "honest people" excuse is wearing thin when on any given day one of those so-called honest people can go berserk and start shooting bullets into a crowd at a rate of 500 rounds a minute.

stop lying. no one is going to shoot 500 rounds in a minute out of a semi automatic carbine

 

[TurtleDude]

We already went through that.. You need to be honest. You will still be let into the US.

Dude.. seriously.. you need to stop floundering about with your absurd diversion tactics. You are only fooling yourself.

Did you see his complete retreat earlier today. HE started claiming that the Canadian Handgun registry was a HUGE SUCCESS, he was called on that BS. then he claimed "people want it". the fact is, he never ever backs up his bs claims.

 

[jaeger19]

I am saying that you are REQUIRED to positively identify who you are to FEDERAL AUTHORITIES prior to getting in which is EXACTLY what a UBC and registration should do with a gun sale. These games are childish. They are not going to just trust you.

Excuse me.. but what "FEDERAL AUTHORITY" is required to identify me when I purchase a firearm at Walmart? Its a girl behind the counter who may not have even graduated highschool calling in the nics check.

 

[calamity]

stop lying. no one is going to shoot 500 rounds in a minute out of a semi automatic carbine

lol...you fell for my trap--zeroing in on the hyperbole. You know damn well what I meant.

 

[jaeger19]

Did you see his complete retreat earlier today. HE started claiming that the Canadian Handgun registry was a HUGE SUCCESS, he was called on that BS. then he claimed "people want it". the fact is, he never ever backs up his bs claims.

Well.. none of the anti gunners here back up their claims. Basically their positions are based on emotion..and not on facts or logic.

If we had the same discussion about say.. drugs and addicts.. I would bet dollars to donuts.. banning drugs, making people jump through multiple hoops to get legal prescriptions etc.. would be the LAST thing these guys would state would work to stop abuse of drugs.

guess what we would hear? "All you do is stop people that need their medication from getting their medication.. or make them criminals"

"all you are doing is focusing on the drug..and not on the reason that the person is an addict. AS long as we focus on the drug and not on the person.. we are doomed to failure"

"All that banning drugs do is create a blackmarket and people that want to abuse drugs can still get them anyway".

Oh.. and I think you would agree.. they would be right. But yet.. they cannot see the intellectual disconnect that they make when they think what has been proven with our drug laws in America.. will somehow work with firearms.. particularly when they "claim" that they don't want to "ban guns".. but just restrict them.

We can't even stop people who want illegal drugs from getting them when they are BANNED completely.. and yet.. these yahoos think that "background checks".. are going to stop criminals from getting guns.?????

 

[zsu2357]

I don't actually disagree with your premise.

What about stinger missiles, bazookas, grenade launchers, and fully-automatic weapons? Should those not be heavily regulated like they currently are?

Ah how much more regulated does it get?

 

[jaeger19]

The only flaw with that argument is that the "honest people" excuse is wearing thin when on any given day one of those so-called honest people can go berserk and start shooting bullets into a crowd at a rate of 500 rounds a minute.

According to that premise then.. no one.. not even the police or military should be allowed firearms..

is that what you contend?

 

[TurtleDude]

lol...you fell for my trap--zeroing in on the hyperbole. You know damn well what I meant.

translation-you made a mistake, I corrected you and now you are playing games. You don't even believe half the anti gun crap you spew. but when you spew it, I am going to school you every time you say something factually deficient or dishonest.