Maybe we actually do something this time?

[TurtleDude]

By your standard they don't work

registration doesn't work for any purpose other than to harass honest gun owners

 

[Oozlefinch]

You see I never said that. I asked you a simple question....and it must strike terror in your heart because of your inability to answer it. You are not debating with me....you are debating with yourself

I answered, yes. Build more prisons.

Now you answer. If you do not want to imprison people who break gun laws, then what good would more gun laws do?

You know, it is rather annoying how you refuse to answer anything, yet insist that others are avoiding your questions.

Yes, more prisons, Yes, more convictions of those that violate the laws.

 

[BretJ]

The next question is key. This will cost many billions. How do you want to pay for it? Show me the money first....and then I am in.

Where would the money come from given your preferred proposals?

 

[vegas giants]

registration doesn't work for any purpose other than to harass honest gun owners

So the police would not use it if they had it? Lol

 

[vegas giants]

Where would the money come from given your preferred proposals?

No no no. You first. Answer the question

 

[vegas giants]

I answered, yes. Build more prisons.

Now you answer. If you do not want to imprison people who break gun laws, then what good would more gun laws do?

You know, it is rather annoying how you refuse to answer anything, yet insist that others are avoiding your questions.

Yes, more prisons, Yes, more convictions of those that violate the laws.

That's not my question. It is where do you get the money. Prisons are incredibly expensive to build and run

 

[TurtleDude]

So the police would not use it if they had it? Lol

can you find any area of the USA where registration has had any crime fighting value? well we know that Hawaii has had registration for years and it sure hasn't done anything useful there.

the only thing anyone should remember is that anti gun groups all want registration. those are far different than anti criminal groups

 

[TurtleDude]

That's not my question. It is where do you get the money. Prisons are incredibly expensive to build and run

so its really stupid to pass laws that have the impact of turning people who have properly owned guns and have never used them to improperly harm others into criminals if they refuse to comply with stupid registration laws. we know in areas where anti gun politicians have passed bans that require current owners to register their "grandfathered weapons" only gain about 15% compliance. Technically the other 85% or so are "criminals"

yet you don't support prosecuting real felons who lie on federal forms and try to illegally buy or possess firearms

 

[vegas giants]

can you find any area of the USA where registration has had any crime fighting value? well we know that Hawaii has had registration for years and it sure hasn't done anything useful there.

the only thing anyone should remember is that anti gun groups all want registration. those are far different than anti criminal groups

Prove it. Prove that the police have never used registration in the US to catch a criminal

 

[vegas giants]

so its really stupid to pass laws that have the impact of turning people who have properly owned guns and have never used them to improperly harm others into criminals if they refuse to comply with stupid registration laws. we know in areas where anti gun politicians have passed bans that require current owners to register their "grandfathered weapons" only gain about 15% compliance. Technically the other 85% or so are "criminals"

yet you don't support prosecuting real felons who lie on federal forms and try to illegally buy or possess firearms

Boy my question is so scary

 

[Oozlefinch]

That's not my question. It is where do you get the money. Prisons are incredibly expensive to build and run

I answered that pages ago troll.

Then screw it, how about close all prisons and let out every convict.

Why is this always the argument some have when it comes to locking up people who break the law?

Oh, we gotta pay for people in prison! Oh where are we gonna get the money?

Then you people wonder why we have so much crime.

Where does the money come from? Well, we can start by ending a lot of the welfare fraud and spend the money we save there by locking them up. Then we can deport all of those who are in the country illegally and causing us to spend money on services they use.

As for the rest, I really DNGAF. Criminals belong in jail, end of story.

There, are you going to still insist I never answered?

I am done with you. You are like the classic meme of the pigeon.

 

[vegas giants]

I answered that pages ago troll.



There, are you going to still insist I never answered?

I am done with you. You are like the classic meme of the pigeon.

It would be massively expensive to do the two things you list to save money. You think no one has thought of this? You must want to triple taxes

 

[Ahlevah]

Can this finally be the time we do something. Can we finally ban heavy assault weapons. Can we finally close the Gun show loophole. Can we finally have universal background checks and waiting periods. etc. Or is it still not the time to be talking about this.

Do you really think that will stop anyone intent on committing mass murder? Last year a terrorist in Nice, France driving a cargo truck killed 86 people and wounded 458 others in less than a minute. And we already tried an "assault weapons ban." It didn't stop anything. In fact, some of the worst mass killings ever in this country, such as Columbine, happened while that law was in force. And how will closing the "gun show loophole" prevent someone with ill intent from buying a weapon if they want one? All of your dreaming about "doing something" is just that--a dream. Time to wake up.

 

[Ahlevah]

So why not close the private sales loophole so they can't get it?

How will requiring a private seller to go through a gun dealer prevent someone will ill intent from obtaining a weapon? I don't see it happening. In fact, even with the laws we have mass murderers have usually been able to obtain guns FROM LICENSED GUN DEALERS, sometimes thanks to government bungling and stupidity.

Background Check Flaw Let Dylann Roof Buy Gun, F.B.I. Says

Texas church gunman escaped mental health facility in 2012 after threatening military superiors

Cho's Mental Illness Should Have Blocked Gun Sale - The New York Times

 

[Oozlefinch]

How will requiring a private seller to go through a gun dealer prevent someone will ill intent from obtaining a weapon?

21 states do require this at this time. And myself, I think this should be a Federal law.

But it will not stop the illegal sales of firearms.

 

[calamity]

before there was a background check, people would LIE On the 4473 and get a gun. Did they buy it legally? of course not. they lied and committed perjury. I believe this clown did the same thing. there will be no indictment since the scum bag is room temperature now

He bought it through legal channels without a hitch. See the problem?

 

[BretJ]

No no no. You first. Answer the question

Reallocate a portion of war on drugs funding. Release inmates booked on simple possession.

 

[BretJ]

It would be massively expensive to do the two things you list to save money. You think no one has thought of this? You must want to triple taxes

So what solutions would not require money to implement and enforce? How do you propose to pay for any measures you would support?

 

[TurtleDude]

He bought it through legal channels without a hitch. See the problem?

that is like saying someone who has a forged passport was able to enter the country legally.

 

[Rucker61]

21 states do require this at this time. And myself, I think this should be a Federal law.

But it will not stop the illegal sales of firearms.

Then why have it? In my state, a family member can loan or give a gun to another family member without a BGC, but a sale to a family member requires one with some cost attached. Other idiotic requirements were written in by people who sent bright enough, it seems, to be trusted with writing laws. It's not even enforceable as written, and as you noted, won't affect illegal sales.

 

[Rucker61]

So what solutions would not require money to implement and enforce? How do you propose to pay for any measures you would support?

I guess with his new laws, everyone follows them so there are no new costs. No enforcement would be necessary.

 

[vegas giants]

Reallocate a portion of war on drugs funding. Release inmates booked on simple possession.

Do that FIRST and then get back to me. It won't happen. I would be your biggest supporter if it would but it won't

 

[vegas giants]

So what solutions would not require money to implement and enforce? How do you propose to pay for any measures you would support?

The solutions I propose will cost a LOT less than an additional 50,000 police investigations and the jails to house those prisoners

 

[BretJ]

He bought it through legal channels without a hitch. See the problem?

He bought them because someone else did not do their job...that is certainly a problem I see.

 

[BretJ]

The solutions I propose will cost a LOT less than an additional 50,000 police investigations and the jails to house those prisoners

So what are these proposals that will cost far less?