Maybe time for the left to be honest

[Michael Cole]

Nobody likes how much oil companies or any other company charges. On the other ,I'm not a fifth grader so I know how the economy works.I could care less how much profit them, or any company makes , but I do hope they ALL make a profit. I don't know or care how much their CEO's , or any other CEO or business owner, makes. I only care what they are charging ME. If it's not to my liking , I don't buy or shop elsewhere.I always hope they , and every other companies, supply plenty of product.IIF they supply too much, they will pay the price for a bad business decison. The market is very efficient in punishing bad business decision.

Agreed.

The bottom line? The facts of life->conservative

Lmao. Now that's funny. Something a fifth grader would say.

 

[CaughtInThe]

You don't like how much the oil companies charge. You don't like how much profit they make. You don't like how much their CEO's make. You don't like that they supply too much product.You don't like much of anything they do, frankly.

Isn't it time to be honest and say what you want.To nationalize the oil industry.

from a military perspective, our oil industry should be nationalized.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Actually, I am free to use other language in everyday life than I am not allowed to use on this forum. Keep in mind that what you are reading is constrained by forum rules.

The question wasn't what you are free to do elsewhere, the question is why post that way here? What is gained?

 

[Buckeyes85]

The 2016 map says other wise


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Oh good lord. The electoral map? That is too silly to justify a response.
You know Trump lost the popular vote by about 3 million?
And of the roughly 249 million eligible voters in 2016, he got 62.9 million? Just a tad over 25%.

Perhaps that's "half" where you come from. But the math I was taught suggests it's 1/4th.

But of course, that's all a deflection from the question I asked that you didn't answer.

 

[KLATTU]

from a military perspective, our oil industry should be nationalized.

from a military perspective, our oil industry should be nationalized.

on the .0000000001 % chance the US got involved in a war where the military needed fuel that was being used for home heating and driving,that might be a valid point.But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

 

[CaughtInThe]

on the .0000000001 % chance the US got involved in a war where the military needed fuel that was being used for home heating and driving,that might be a valid point.But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it

that might be the worst military plan i've ever read.

 

[KLATTU]

that might be the worst military plan i've ever read.

not as dumb as a nationalization plan based on a scenario that has no chance of ever happening.

 

[CaughtInThe]

not as dumb as a nationalization plan based on a scenario that has no chance of ever happening.

oh, it won't happen.

but from a military perspective our oil industry should be nationalized. hell, the countries that don't have much oil are very venerable.

 

[independentusa]

You don't like how much the oil companies charge. You don't like how much profit they make. You don't like how much their CEO's make. You don't like that they supply too much product.You don't like much of anything they do, frankly.

Isn't it time to be honest and say what you want.To nationalize the oil industry.

One of the Oil companies talking heads said it, they are all about the stockholders and not the public. Since there is no real competition, hey price as the will and that is to make as much profit as possible. So even when the crude oil prices fluctuate up and down, the price of gas at the pump keeps jumping by the day. It will keep jumping until an equilibrium is reached where to raise prices anymore will reduce demand to the point that they lose profit.

 

[KLATTU]

One of the Oil companies talking heads said it, they are all about the stockholders and not the public. t.

SMH. So is every other company. Do you not understand how for-profit companies work?
It's like every left winger on this board took an 'economics' class from Robert Reich.

 

[KLATTU]

Since there is no real competition,

Really? so exxon , shell, BP, Getty, sunoco, Valero, Lukoil, Covenience stores ( accounting for 80% of gasoline sales) ,Costco Walmart, Krogers, isn't enough for you??

 

[Nickyjo]

sigh...I've already done that numerous time in various threads. Hell, you've probably already seen it. But here...one last time...don't ask me again.

What Cruz outlines is fine by me. Things line not drilling in certain places, ending the pipeline, etc., have been in the table for a while, pushed by a significant number of politicians and citizens. And the horror of joining the Paris accord on climate, one that our allies also joined. One could come up with a similar chart and show that these policies are advisable for a variety of reasons. That doesn’t prove that he, or Obama, or Democrats want to take down the oil industry.

 

[Mycroft]

What Cruz outlines is fine by me. Things line not drilling in certain places, ending the pipeline, etc., have been in the table for a while, pushed by a significant number of politicians and citizens. And the horror of joining the Paris accord on climate, one that our allies also joined. One could come up with a similar chart and show that these policies are advisable for a variety of reasons. That doesn’t prove that he, or Obama, or Democrats want to take down the oil industry.

Those things that Cruz pointed out are responsible for the increase in energy prices. It doesn't matter if they've been "on the table". The Biden pukes acted on them.

Biden and his pukes have already said they want to take down the oil industry. Hell, Biden told the entire country that's what he wanted to do when he had his debate with Bernie before the Democratic primary in 2020.

Why are you trying to deny facts?

 

[Nickyjo]

Those things that Cruz pointed out are responsible for the increase in energy prices. It doesn't matter if they've been "on the table". The Biden pukes acted on them.

Biden and his pukes have already said they want to take down the oil industry. Hell, Biden told the entire country that's what he wanted to do when he had his debate with Bernie before the Democratic primary in 2020.

Why are you trying to deny facts?

Define take down.

 

[Mycroft]

Define take down.

"No more drilling."

- Joe Biden

 

[Nickyjo]

"No more drilling."

- Joe Biden

Anywhere? Have troops stopped drilling?

 

[KLATTU]

Define take down.

End fossil
Fuels. Thats what biden said he wants,kiddo

 

[Mycroft]

Anywhere? Have troops stopped drilling?

Ask Joe the puppet masters.

 

[Nickyjo]

End fossil
Fuels. Thats what biden said he wants,kiddo

So what legislation has he proposed to prohibit any exploration, drilling, etc., anywhere. Face it. The issues are reliance on fossil fuels, the climate, environment, prices of energy, etc. Some of us want to increase drilling. Others not so much. Both are defensible positions. Let’s defend them. There is a national, a world-wide debate going on. Cruz has his chart of bad things. Others see the chart as a list of good things. For either side to demonize the opposition by accusing them of proposing apocalyptic solutions is absurd, but those are the times we live in.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Trump is not offering any defense for his actions. He is silent.

No Republican has come forward to defend Trump. They are silent.

That says a lot.

Trump continues his silence on the issues being brought forward by the committee. He appears to be acknowledging his guilt as are his colleagues in Congress who also remain silent.

ABC reports, "Former President Donald Trump on Monday responded in a lengthy statement to the House's ongoing Jan. 6 committee hearings, assailing the panel as illegitimate and their presentation as one-sided -- but rather than refute their evidence, he reiterated the same baseless claims about the 2020 presidential election that are at the center of the proceedings and the group's case that he had attempted a "coup."

"Trump's 12-page statement, sent to reporters on Monday night, comes after the second public hearing held by the House select committee investigating last year's deadly Capitol attack. His statement, marked by characteristic exclamations and insults, called the hearings "a smoke and mirrors show" that failed to include "all exculpatory witnesses, and anyone who so easily points out the flaws in their story."

"The statement, however, did not directly respond to the specifics laid out by the committee to the public thus far -- including testimony earlier Monday from Trump's inner circle that he knew he had lost the last presidential race and had no legitimate reason to claim widespread fraud, instead choosing to listen to Rudy Giuliani to falsely claim victory over Joe Biden."

Trump is clueless. He has no idea what is happening. Let's examine what he said.

"Their presentation is one-sided." "Failed to include "all exculpatory witnesses, and anyone who so easily points out the flaws in their story."

Trump seems unaware that he refused to appear before the committee to explain his innocence. He is unaware that the Republican leader in the House, Kevin McCarthy, refused to appoint Republicans to the committee. Trump's close associates who could possibly defend him refused to appear before the committee.

"Their presentation is one-sided." "Failed to include "all exculpatory witnesses, and anyone who so easily points out the flaws in their story." Rural Trump Republicans with their limited awareness will believe him. Like Trump, they are clueless.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Our country is in very serious trouble. When Americans say a coup attempt to overthrow the elected government is okay with them and put the party responsible back in power, we have a very serious problem.

The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office.
Senate Intel report confirms Russia aimed to help Trump in 2016

The Republican Party has captured the minds of those who live in the rural counties of America. Those voters are mostly farmers and rural shopkeepers. They lack education and they are not well-informed. Most of what they know about politics is by word of mouth.

For reasons they are unaware of and cannot explain, Donald Trump is their savior, thus explaining why they believe everything Trump says. Consequently, most of them have voted for Trump endorsed candidates in the primaries.

That is understandable. They don't know what is going on. All they know is, they like Trump for some reason.

What is disturbing is that many of these Republican candidates are winning. Most were favorites anyway. Here is the disturbing part. These candidates support the view that Trump won the election and the coup attempt on Jan. 6, 2021. If they didn't believe that, they would not have gotten Trump's endorsement.

In other words, Republicans running for office -- governor, secretary of state, state legislatures, U.S. Congress, etc. -- support the attempted overthrow of the elected government on Jan. 6, 2021.

There is no other way to read that.

Republicans on this forum will remain silent on these issues. After all, what can they say? Not even Trump is declaring his innocence. Neither are any members of the Republican Party.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Absolutely, because your "renewable, less/non polluting sources of energy" is also the least reliable source of energy. In case you hadn't noticed, States that rely heavily on those "renewable, less/non polluting sources of energy" are experiencing frequent rolling black-outs. Or did the recall of California's Governor Gray "Out" Davis and the Texas blackout escape your grasp?

“Renewable, less/non polluting sources of energy” encompasses a spectrum technology and resources.

Your blanket derisive dismissal of the potentiality of non fossil energy sources clearly demonstrates that your opinion is based on deliberate ignorance and bias.

 

[Glitch]

The question wasn't what you are free to do elsewhere, the question is why post that way here? What is gained?

The answer is obvious. The posts are required to abide by the forum rules.

 

[Glitch]

“Renewable, less/non polluting sources of energy” encompasses a spectrum technology and resources.

All of them either wholly unreliable, or stupidly uses food for fuel.

Your blanket derisive dismissal of the potentiality of non fossil energy sources clearly demonstrates that your opinion is based on deliberate ignorance and bias.

Your inability to comprehend that none of your alternative energy sources are dependable - as has been proven time and time again - demonstrates that you live in an alternative reality.

I support using ALL forms of energy, and am not so deluded to believe that one form of energy is better than another. The only thing that matters is the amount of energy generated, and its reliability. Where fossil fuels are a reliable source of energy, they should be used - all forms of fossil fuels, not just natural gas. Where fossil fuels don't exist, less reliable alternative sources of energy should be used - all of them. Where they both coincide, then they should both be used. The unreliable alternative sources supplementing the reliable sources.

At no time should we ever become dependent on the alternative energy sources, because that would be certain national suicide. Exactly what the Democratic Party has always wanted.

 

[Indydave]

You don't like how much the oil companies charge. You don't like how much profit they make. You don't like how much their CEO's make. You don't like that they supply too much product.You don't like much of anything they do, frankly.

Isn't it time to be honest and say what you want.To nationalize the oil industry.

I honestly want to nationalize the oil industry........there.....I've said and geez do I feel like a load has been lifted.....

you want to know why......well I know you would prefer I just shut the hell up......but Im gonna tell you anyway..

because......it's for the good of the nation......it would do more to stabilize the economy than anything possible because it affects the price of every single thing we buy......

case in point.......TVA......TVA picked the South up off it's poverty stricken Civil War inability to recover collective ass and provided electricity and jobs and opportunities for small business and agricultural conservation programs and jobs and is still doing so today......the South was a rural back water of poverty with most people living with no electricity or phone service.......TVA is a government corporation that provides power and education for the people.....and it works......

it's works so well the South today is still the poorest area of the nation....seems we have never gotten over the CW.......but we have electricity and jobs and the trickle down effect since the 1930's has created thousands upon thousands of small business opportunities......Reagan loved TVA

now if we could figure a way to work on that knuckle dragging problem