Maybe It's Time To Dissolve the US

[Bassman]

That wouldn't happen if the federal government were not taking money from some citizens and giving to others as the government deems proper and right.

That sounds like a tyranny.

 

[the makeout hobo]

You mean selling out and prostituting principles. That's what it boils down to,

Isn't that what you expect your opponents to do?

 

[Bassman]

Isn't that what you expect your opponents to do?

No, I don't. I expect Liberals and Conservatives to wage bloody war until there is a clear victor.

 

[randel]

Isn't that what you expect your opponents to do?

bingo!! we have a winner

 

[Bassman]

bingo!! we have a winner

Like I said, this is a war for the very survival of this country. Now is not the time for compromise or sitting in a big circle jerk with the enemy.

 

[Cold Highway]

.....actually....no. I think we've gone past that point. I think we're in the fear and loathing stage now.

LOL your funny. Can I have what your on? You honestly think this hate is a new thing? The only time Americans didnt hate each other is when the country is attacked but the next day the hate switch comes back on.

 

[Bassman]

LOL your funny. Can I have what your on? You honestly think this hate is a new thing? The only time Americans didnt hate each other is when the country is attacked but the next day the hate switch comes back on.

The point Dutch is making is that the rift is so deep that reconciliation is impossible at this point.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Hating is American as apple pie....National Brotherhood Week, from the nineteen sixties?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY"]YouTube- Tom Lehrer - National Brotherhood Week[/ame]

 

[samsmart]

The point Dutch is making is that the rift is so deep that reconciliation is impossible at this point.

The only reason why reconciliation is impossible is because we have a two-party system that keeps Americans like you polarized. Change the voting system to something besides winner-take-all and allow third-parties to get elected. Then we'll get the full spectrum of political thought represented in government.

 

[Bassman]

The only reason why reconciliation is impossible is because we have a two-party system that keeps Americans like you polarized. Change the voting system to something besides winner-take-all and allow third-parties to get elected. Then we'll get the full spectrum of political thought represented in government.

No, we will get the same idiotic parliamentary system like Italy has. Forget it! BTW, I'd rather keep things divided! This is now a war!!

 

[randel]

The only reason why reconciliation is impossible is because we have a two-party system that keeps Americans like you polarized. Change the voting system to something besides winner-take-all and allow third-parties to get elected. Then we'll get the full spectrum of political thought represented in government.

i'd be ok with that

 

[the makeout hobo]

No, I don't. I expect Liberals and Conservatives to wage bloody war until there is a clear victor.

Why not find solutions that work for everyone? We've gone a long time without fighting, and we're they hyperpower of the world. Maybe you just have to accept that you won't always get what you want, but if you try hard enough, you just might find you get what you need.

 

[the makeout hobo]

No, we will get the same idiotic parliamentary system like Italy has. Forget it! BTW, I'd rather keep things divided! This is now a war!!

You do realize that most industry is concentrated in cities, historically liberal areas, right? That include means to war, I'm sure.

 

[PeteEU]

It is funny how when the US right is not in absolute power they turn to being like spoilt brats and have hissy fits like wanting to dissolve the greatest nation on the planet.. pathetic attitude just because you are not running things because of your own stupidity.

 

[Dutch]

The more local the governance the less illegitimate it is, but the only fully legitimate governance is that of an individual over himself and his dependents (i.e. family).

All relationships between human beings should ideally be based on objective economic laws, as determined through natural selection in a system of non-violent competition (AKA cooperation) based on individual self-ownership [FLASH] and polycentric jurisprudence. This naturally leads to a political system known as Anarcho-Capitalism.

Any questions?

I agree, to a point. The individual has far more voice over local governence at the local level that at the state and federal level. I believe that's why the founders designed such a weak federal government as opposed to the state and local government where most of the power was. Local and state government is where democracy really works.

 

[Partisan]

It is funny how when the US right is not in absolute power they turn to being like spoilt brats and have hissy fits like wanting to dissolve the greatest nation on the planet.. pathetic attitude just because you are not running things because of your own stupidity.

Sorry, Pete, wrong again....:3oops:
This country may squabble over petty things internally, but when threatened from forces outside, we are the 'absolute power'....
Our foes best remember that, lest they incur our full wrath......:2wave:

 

[Dutch]

Interesting you said nothing of this sort when Bush was in office often going to the point of defending policies that Obama is now following (some of which Daewoo give you crap for). And looking at a great many of Obama's policies, they are lock step with Bush sufficiently enough that Obama can be called a Bush Clone. So hence why I ask you why you only say this when Bush III is in office and not when Bush II was.

Are you going to be a hypocrite? Or come clean?

Until such time as american liberals/leftist start complaining/protesting "loudly" about this situation the hypocracy is pretty much owned by the left. I say this only because obama is taking it even farther by extending government control over huge swaths of the economy visa vie GM, healthcare, and to a degree, banking. If that's not enough there are now threats to our economy if congress doesn't toe the line concerning cap and trade. This president and this congress are out of control.



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Krauthammer: Obama Admin’s EPA Threat to Congress Equates to ‘Soviet Control,’ ‘Is Constitutionally Obscene’By PoliJAM | December 10, 2009

The Obama administration has threatened Congressthat if it doesn’t soon move to regulategreenhouse gases, the Environmental Protection Agency will do harm to the economy by taking a “command-and-control” role over the process.

Fox News quotes a senior Obama administration official as saying,

“If you don’t pass this legislation, then … the EPA is going to have to regulate in this area,” the official said. “And it is not going to be able to regulate on a market-based way, so it’s going to have to regulate in a command-and-control way, which will probably generate even more uncertainty.”

Syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer said Wednesday evening that the administration’s “blackmail” equates to a “constitutionally obscene” “Soviet control” of the American economy.

“It’s command and control, which is a polite way of saying, Soviet control. Meaning, it’s all regulation, it’s all sort of arbitrary on the part of the EPA. It’s an amazing admission and it is a kind of blackmail: ‘Either you do this in the Senate and pass a bill or we’re gonna do it unilaterally.’ The problem here is that it really is constitutionally obscene.”

In order to end the blackmails coming from the EPA, Krauthammer suggests that Congress pass a law amending the original legislation of the EPA that would exclude the regulating of CO2 from the jurisdiction of the agency.....

 

[Dutch]

LOL your funny. Can I have what your on? You honestly think this hate is a new thing? The only time Americans didnt hate each other is when the country is attacked but the next day the hate switch comes back on.

I could make the point we're under attack now. We, as a nation, no longer posses; a common culture, a common language, or even recognizable borders.

 

[Dutch]

Hating is American as apple pie....National Brotherhood Week, from the nineteen sixties?

YouTube- Tom Lehrer - National Brotherhood Week

You mean as opposed to the british? Get back to me when we sink that low.

 

[Dutch]

exactly...it takes 2 to work together, to compromise...that can't happen if one side is content to sit on the sidelines beyatching and crying because they can't have things their way, and will accept no compromise, even when they are on the minority side of the issue.

You could be describing american liberals/leftists under the bush administration. In any other time period in american history reid would have been considered a traitor. In my america, he is.


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Reid: Iraq War lost, U.S. can't win

Senate majority leader: 'This war is lost'
April 20: Senate majority leader Harry Reid compares the conflict in Iraq with Vietnam. MSNBC military analyst Col. Jack Jacobs discusses the comments.

updated 11:35 a.m. CT, Fri., April 20, 2007
WASHINGTON - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday the war in Iraq is "lost," triggering an angry backlash by Republicans, who said the top Democrat had turned his back on the troops. The bleak assessment - the most pointed yet from Reid - came as the House voted 215-199 to uphold legislation ordering troops out of Iraq next year.

Reid said he told President Bush on Wednesday he thought the war could not be won through military force, although he said the U.S. could still pursue political, economic and diplomatic means to bring peace to Iraq.

"I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense and - you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows - (know) this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday," said Reid, D-Nev.......

 

[samsmart]

I agree, to a point. The individual has far more voice over local governence at the local level that at the state and federal level. I believe that's why the founders designed such a weak federal government as opposed to the state and local government where most of the power was. Local and state government is where democracy really works.

However, local and state governments can also empower regional prejudices that the federal government can overcome. Because the federal government serves the interests of the entire country, they are above those biases. In this way, the federal government can protect the rights of their people better than local or state governments can.

 

[Cold Highway]

I could make the point we're under attack now. We, as a nation, no longer posses; a common culture, a common language, or even recognizable borders.

Spare me the Buchanan/Wooldridge dribble, these problems can be resolved when the right people are in Washington.

 

[Bassman]

You could be describing american liberals/leftists under the bush administration. In any other time period in american history reid would have been considered a traitor. In my america, he is.


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Isn't it amazing?? American Liberals absolutely excoriated any Republican administration that ever dared set foot in the WH??

 

[Bassman]

However, local and state governments can also empower regional prejudices that the federal government can overcome. Because the federal government serves the interests of the entire country, they are above those biases. In this way, the federal government can protect the rights of their people better than local or state governments can.

But the Feds can never address regional concerns that state and local municipalities can.

 

[samsmart]

No, we will get the same idiotic parliamentary system like Italy has. Forget it! BTW, I'd rather keep things divided! This is now a war!!

Multi-party system =/= Parliamentary system