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Maybe I Will, Maybe I Won’t

Does Trump get the US into another ME War?

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All the MAGAS here who call Dick Cheney a war monger, and deride his use of faulty intelligence as a precursor to invade Iraq must now be having contortion lessons. Trump is ignoring his own intelligence chiefs assessment that Iran are not producing a nuclear weapon.
 
Trump will launch at least one attack on the uranium Enrichment facility, and Iran will likely respond by lobbing a few missiles at M.E. American targets.

Like the last time Iran attacked our U.S. soldiers in Iraq, I suspect Trump will back down TACO and it will end there.
 
Chomsky said:
Trump will launch at least one attack on the uranium Enrichment facility, and Iran will likely respond by lobbing a few missiles at M.E. American targets.

Like the last time Iran attacked our U.S. soldiers in Iraq, I suspect Trump will back down TACO and it will end there.
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Not a peep from our MAGA posters, they awaiting marching orders from the RW echo chamber.
 
Rexedgar said:
What will Trump’s decision be?
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Hi Rexedgar,

I voted; 'No'.

However, I hope he will.

I think he will not attack this time. The only thing I've got to go by is that Trump has a tendency to avoid this kind of trouble. It's out of his comfort zone I think. He knows that violence makes people unpredictable. He does not need that.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong, because I am getting sick and tired of Iran.

But I also worry that they not have the balls to say what is really going on. Like the false pretences Bush used for his invasion of Iraq. He could have just said that Iraq has caused enough trouble, and enough is enough. People may not have agreed, but most would have bought that. Now he got caught in a lie and looked stupid. I think Israel and the US are doing something similar right now. Just a feeling, and I can not substantiate this claim with any evidence.


Joey
 
JoeyJoystick said:
Hi Rexedgar,

I voted; 'No'.

However, I hope he will.

I think he will not attack this time. The only thing I've got to go by is that Trump has a tendency to avoid this kind of trouble. It's out of his comfort zone I think. He knows that violence makes people unpredictable. He does not need that.

Like I said, I hope I am wrong, because I am getting sick and tired of Iran.

But I also worry that they not have the balls to say what is really going on. Like the false pretences Bush used for his invasion of Iraq. He could have just said that Iraq has caused enough trouble, and enough is enough. People may not have agreed, but most would have bought that. Now he got caught in a lie and looked stupid. I think Israel and the US are doing something similar right now. Just a feeling, and I can not substantiate this claim with any evidence.


Joey
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Cool. Tens of millions of Persians should suffer War by Trump because some Joseph or another has vague feelings about Iran.
 
reinaert said:
Cool. Tens of millions of Persians should suffer War by Trump because some Joseph or another has vague feelings about Iran.
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Hi Reinart,

I hear you mate. But is that as opposed to the peace the live in right now? Do you know that 70,000,000 people in the middle east are directly exposed to violence. That is 20% of the population in the middle east. Much of it caused by Iran.

If you want to say; But what about Israel? Just in the past year Israel has been attacked by various groups of people from Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and of course also Iran. What has every weapon that landed on Israel's roof have in common? They were paid for by the Iranians and they were build by the Iranians for the sole purpose of sending them to Israel. Virtually all problems in the Middle East have Iran as the common denominator.

Dealing militarily with Iran goes against all rules we have set up in the west in the past decennia. Yet not dealing with Iran goes against all the moral we have been preaching over the past decennia.

I really understand your point of view. I hope you can see mine too.

Let's look at it differently. As in most cases, doing nothing means you move backwards. So something needs to be done about Iran. Now we can argue about how this should be done. And of course, some people will never agree to use violence in this situation. But I think this is a rare window of opportunity to do something about Iran. Israel, with good intelligence has seriously weakened the Iranian defences. Specifically the air defences. Until now the number of civilian casualties in Iran has been relatively low. Especially if we dare to compare with Palestine. The Iranian people see that. There is a lot of discontent among the Iranian people. And, very important in this context, there is hardly any backlash from the Sunni states and some even quietly approved of Israel's actions. So I repeat, I think this may be a rare window of opportunity. If Trump goes ahead, and that's a big 'IF', than he will lie about everything in a way so that everything that goes wrong is not his fault and everything that goes right is because of his actions. And because of that he will get some serious backlash. He will not have the balls to simply say; Enough is enough. He's gotta go. That's just not gonna happen.


Joey
 
Trump is the bitch x2 with vastly different results.

As Putin's longtime bitch, Trump refuses to help Ukraine defend itself from Russian aggression.

As Netanyahu's bitch, Trump will order the USAF to drop 30,000 pound bunker-busing busting bombs on Iranian underground nuclear facilities. Israel cannot do this itself.

Both Putin and Netanyahu are wanted by the ICC for war crimes. Trump is aligning the US with war criminals.
 
Allan said:
Trump is suffering from Bibi penis envy.

He sees Israel blowing stuff up and feels left out.
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I think that is actually at the core of this.... Trump is anxious for a "win," so if someone else is "winning" and he can join the team, he is in. The problem is that Iran will be as elusive as Iraq, if not far more so given they are a much larger, more sophisticated country with a large military. You can have a perceived short-term win, only to find out in the long-term its a quagmire. When will we ever learn???

The Iranian situation, from the US perspective, is substantially Trump's fault. He ripped up a pretty good deal, and because he ripped it up, he is no longer trustworthy to deal with from the Iranian perspective.

aociswundumho said:
Trump is actually the first president in decades who hasn't started a new war.
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Nixon, Ford, Carter, Clinton, Obama nor Biden started any wars either. In fact, US presidents starting or escalating wars is actually a pretty short list... Most of these presidents inherited wars and/or failed to end them (Trump would be in this category as well), but none of them started a war. That said, there were a couple of military operations during several of those presidencies, but not wars that we started nor committed much resource to..
 
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Chomsky said:
Trump will launch at least one attack on the uranium Enrichment facility, and Iran will likely respond by lobbing a few missiles at M.E. American targets.

Like the last time Iran attacked our U.S. soldiers in Iraq, I suspect Trump will back down TACO and it will end there.
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I read today that destroying the underground nuclear facility will require more than one bunker busting bomb and will require American aircraft (B-2, which can only carry one massive bomb at a time or B-52 which can carry more than one bunker busting bomb) and specially trained and qualified American crew.

One bomb won’t do the trick. Several bombs must be dropped and guided down the hole made by the previous bomb.

If all this is true Trump should have been briefed in detail and if Trump attended his briefings and is fully aware of the situation, and is capable of understanding and remembering all the critical detail, that is a big if, he should have known all along that Netanyahu was fully aware of Israel’s need to have American support and participation if the mission is to be a success. Netanyahu literally jumped the gun in an attempt to involve the U.S. when he began his attacks in Iran. OR Trump secretly knew and approved Netanyahu’s plans.

Either way, Trump, hamstrung by his reductions in force in national intelligence, the pentagon, the Cabinet and other critical areas along with the piss poor appointments of people like Hegseth have put Trump in an impossible situation.

He is an extremely weak president who through his own inabilities, his failure, as always, to see the big picture or to plan ahead and his compulsiveness and his clinically deep insecurity have placed Trump, the U.S., Israel, the Gulf Region, the Mideast and perhaps even Europe in a very bad spot.

After the shameful failure of his birthday parade Trump is being laughed at across the world. And he knows it. He is now more than ever jonesing for the Noble Prize - something he’ll never be awarded. That makes Trump’s poor decisions and reluctance to make a decision all the more dangerous.
 
Logician Man said:
I'm hearing Laura Loomer, one of Trump's most trusted confidantes, is telling Trump to release the hounds upon Iran.
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Interesting. I'm hearing Brooklyn Dad, one of the Democrat's most revered intellectuals, is opposed to it.
 
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