May Christians celebrate the Carnival the way it is celebrated in Europe between Epiphany and Ash Wednesday?

[Rumpel]

May Christians celebrate the Carnival the way it is celebrated in Europe between Epiphany and Ash Wednesday?

I have chosen this long title as I had to learn that many US-Americans have no idea what I mean by "Carnival" and think it is some kind of merry-go-round or a circus or a cruise line.

What I mean is this:

Carnival is a Western Christian festive season that occurs before the liturgical season of Lent.[2] The main events typically occur during February or early March, during the period historically known as Shrovetide (or Pre-Lent). Carnival typically involves public celebrations, including events such as parades, public street parties and other entertainments, combining some elements of a circus. Elaborate costumes and masks allow people to set aside their everyday individuality and experience a heightened sense of social unity.[3] Participants often indulge in excessive consumption of alcohol,[4] meat, and other foods that will be forgone during upcoming Lent. Traditionally, butter, milk, and other animal products were not consumed "excessively", rather, their stock was fully consumed as to reduce waste. This festival is known for being a time of great indulgence before Lent (which is a time stressing the opposite), with drinking, overeating, and various other activities of indulgence being performed. For example, Pancakes, donuts, and other desserts were prepared and eaten for a final time. During Lent, animal products are eaten less, and individuals have the ability to make a Lenten sacrifice, thus giving up a certain object or activity of desire.

Carnival - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ecofarm]

We've all seen how South America celebrates Carnival. If anyone thinks Europeans are even capable of that, they're nuts. I'm with S. America.

 

[Rumpel]

no, because Jesus has never ordered us to celebrate Carnival​

It is this slavish pseudo-argument that I "like" especially
It seems to be wide-spread in "pious" Christian circles.

So: Because Jesus has never ordered us to eat Black Forest Cake - we are not allowed to eat it.

 

[Rumpel]

• Total voters 2
• so far.

Now let's wait and see

 

[Mycroft]

May Christians celebrate the Carnival the way it is celebrated in Europe between Epiphany and Ash Wednesday?

I have chosen this long title as I had to learn that many US-Americans have no idea what I mean by "Carnival" and think it is some kind of merry-go-round or a circus or a cruise line.

What I mean is this:

Carnival - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I can't speak for Christians, since I'm not one, but I was a Catholic a long time ago and they didn't really go for the Carnival thing.

From my detached point of view, I see what you describe as a chance for people to satisfy their desire for gluttony before they are forced to go "on the wagon".

 

[Rumpel]

From my detached point of view, I see what you describe as a chance for people to satisfy their desire for gluttony before they are forced to go "on the wagon".

You cannot reduce Carnival to "gluttony".

 

[Rumpel]

Carnival in the Black Forest

 

[Rumpel]

In the Black Forest once again

 

[Rumpel]

We've all seen how South America celebrates Carnival. If anyone thinks Europeans are even capable of that, they're nuts. I'm with S. America.

You may have vour stupid Rio de Janeiro for over-fed tourists.



I prefer this!

 

[ecofarm]

You may have vour stupid Rio de Janeiro for over-fed tourists.



I prefer this!

So gay.

 

[Mycroft]

You cannot reduce Carnival to "gluttony".

Your Wiki reference sure talked a lot about food.

Gluttony is defined as the over-indulgence or lack of self-restraint in food, drink, or wealth items, especially as status tokens. The English word comes from the Latin and means “to gulp.” Gluttony worships food to feed our own self-love.

What is the Sin of Gluttony? Its Definition and Consequences

Gluttony is defined as the over-indulgence or lack of self-restraint in food, drink, or wealth items, especially as status tokens. The English word comes from the Latin and means “to gulp.” Gluttony worships food to feed our own self-love.

www.christianity.com

 

[Rumpel]

What do you understand under the term "Carnival"?

a circus
a merry-go-round
any kind of celebration
a cruise line
nothing


According to my experience, many English-speakers do not have the faintest idea, what a Carnival is.

 

[Rumpel]

• Total voters 2

 

[Rumpel]

1 vote for:

yes, because Jesus never said that it is not allowed​

 

[Lycanthrope]

Damn - some people really know how to take the fun out of everything.

How many modern Christians think they should avoid celebrating Christmas because of all its pagan trappings? There were those in the past who believed exactly that.

 

[Rumpel]

Damn - some people really know how to take the fun out of everything.
How many modern Christians think they should avoid celebrating Christmas because of all its pagan trappings?

Some "Christians" are really spoil-sports and completely humourless and enemies of any joy.
Some of them do not celebrate Christmas and Easter, because these are "atheist" feasts.
Some of them do not celebrate Christmas and Easter, because these are "pagan" feasts.
Some of them do not celebrate Christmas and Easter, because these are "satanic" feasts.

And with "Christians" here I mean those evangelical fundamentalists who keep bragging that they are the only Christians on earth worthy of the name "Christian".

 

[Rumpel]

>>>>> https://www.schwarzwald-tourismus.i...e/kultur-und-tradition/alemannische-fastnacht <<<<

Here is the picture of the "Fasnacht", as the Carnival is called in the Black Forest in Germany.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The bible does not specifically mention something like this celebration, so it would be to hard to say that it, in itself is either good or bad. Look to the various activities and see if they hold muster. One thing that stands out from the wiki description is drunkenness which is mentioned in the bible quite a bit. I guess my stance is as long as you avoid the individual activities that are verboten, then you're probably ok with enjoying the other aspects of it (unless I missed this or that activity that is also mentioned as something not to do in the bible, don't do those things either), while drinking responsibly.