16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
So what do all y'all Christian folk think?
Common attempts to explain this apparent discrepancy are that it refers to the transfiguration, the fall of Jeruselam in 70 AD, the Pentacost, the Ressurection, or the spread of the Gospel.
The immediatly apparent meaning is that "the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works" while some of the folks he was saying this to are still alive.
I think the most defensible position is that there is some 2000 year old dude still wandering around, probably listening to Led Zepplin on his ipod right now, waiting for Jesus to come back and reward every man according to his works.
So what do all y'all Christian folk think?
Common attempts to explain this apparent discrepancy are that it refers to the transfiguration, the fall of Jeruselam in 70 AD, the Pentacost, the Ressurection, or the spread of the Gospel.
The immediatly apparent meaning is that "the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works" while some of the folks he was saying this to are still alive.
I think the most defensible position is that there is some 2000 year old dude still wandering around, probably listening to Led Zepplin on his ipod right now, waiting for Jesus to come back and reward every man according to his works.
Isn't it true that after the supposed resurrection some disciples doubted that it was Jesus? If they doubted then, how can in hell people be sure now. The gospels are very much historically flawed as they is no eye-witness accounts only hear say and they also contradict each other.
Historians would call that an unreliable source.
There is no discrepincy in what you quoted.
Jesus is saying that there are some people who will not die from that day to the second comming, and yes that means that there are people walking this earth right now who are thousands of years old.
Historians would call that an unreliable source.
Must be the Wandering Jew doomed to live homeless until Jaysus comes.Jerry,
Great post! For a second I thought you were serious. :rofl
I'd have to agree.
Isn't it true that after the supposed resurrection some disciples doubted that it was Jesus? If they doubted then, how can in hell people be sure now. The gospels are very much historically flawed as they is no eye-witness accounts only hear say and they also contradict each other.
Historians would call that an unreliable source.
Isn't it true that after the supposed resurrection some disciples doubted that it was Jesus? If they doubted then, how can in hell people be sure now. The gospels are very much historically flawed as they is no eye-witness accounts only hear say and they also contradict each other.
Historians would call that an unreliable source.
The Judgement and Dawn of the Kingdom are two seperate events. The Judgement has not happened yet. The Dawn of the Kingdom happened when Jesus ressurected.
There is no discrepincy in what you quoted.
Jesus is saying that there are some people who will not die from that day to the second comming, and yes that means that there are people walking this earth right now who are thousands of years old.
I notice that Ivan thanked you, but still doesn't think you were serious.
The most logical conclusion of course is that God origianlly planned for the Judgement to occur within the lifetime of some of those listening, but shortly afterward he discovered WoW and is now farming the orcs for XP, having completely forgotten about the whole "judgement thing."
Has Bible Prophecy Already Been Fulfilled? Part IV
The preterist contention that our Lord’s prophecy in Matthew 16:28 predicts the destruction of the Temple in the first century has been proven to be off base. Instead, we have found that Matthew 16:27 refers to a yet future second coming of Christ, while 16:28 was fulfilled only a week after the prophecy was uttered by our Lord through His transfiguration before Peter, James, and John.
Now I will take up the preterist’s misguided contention that Matthew 16:28 supports a past prophetic fulfillment.
Thus, "verse twenty-seven looks at the establishment of the kingdom in the future, while a promise of seeing the Messiah in His glory is the thought of verse twenty-eight. They are two separate predictions separated by the words ‘truly I say to you.’"
And when Jesus was ressurected, did he "reward every man according to his works?"
The context of Matthew 16:28, leads us to conclude that it was in fact the Judgement he referred to, and not the "Dawn of the Kingdom."
I notice that Ivan thanked you, but still doesn't think you were serious. I think your position is the second most logical conclusion.
The most logical conclusion of course is that God origianlly planned for the Judgement to occur within the lifetime of some of those listening, but shortly afterward he discovered WoW and is now farming the orcs for XP, having completely forgotten about the whole "judgement thing."
There is no discrepincy in what you quoted.
Jesus is saying that there are some people who will not die from that day to the second comming, and yes that means that there are people walking this earth right now who are thousands of years old.
Ah... please say this is your idea of humor.
.......that's still what the book says.
But it would still fiction....one notch above Harry Potter as far as educational value goes...
It can be fiction and still not contradict itself.
Rather the bible is a work of fiction or not is besides the point, as we could be talking about Harry Potter and agree on what a given book in the series says because we can all flip to the page and see for ourselves.
Did the Goblet of Fire in fact select a 4th would-be champion for the tri-wizard tuniment? Everyone can turn to page 271 and see for themselves.
Lets say that the bible was thought up and printed last year; Let's say that everyone shakes hands and agrees that it's obviously a work of pure fiction.......that's still what the book says.
Where does the Bible say it is fiction?
Jesus is saying that there are some people who will not die from that day to the second comming, and yes that means that there are people walking this earth right now who are thousands of years old.
Jerry,
So you're saying that this doesn't matter to you?
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