Masks don't work

[Uncensored2008]

I love the tinfoil hat crowd. “Masks are to show obedience.” Good lord, the shit you folks convince yourselves of. Not the government ID cards? Not the regulations on my business? Not speed limits? Masks are the path to tyranny. Sure.

The tinfoil hat crowd are the morons who peddled the "RUSHING COALUSHAN" conspiracy theory.

Still the fact remains that Wuhan is not stopped or slowed by less than an N95 rated mask - and those must be fitted and worn properly to be effective. Dust masks and cloth masks are a farce with no medical purpose. The only purpose is political.

 

[Fishking]

why do you ask?
imo, in the context of the paper it means that without masks the virus would spread quicker, thereby infecting more people at a quicker rate.

Because slower by itself doesn't mean less people infected overall. By itself it just means that it will take longer to get to whatever will be the total number once (if) all this wraps up at whatever time. If medical systems are not overwhelmed then it's better to have the spread faster so as to be able to open up earlier. This can be tracked at local levels.

 

[mike2810]

Because slower by itself doesn't mean less people infected overall. By itself it just means that it will take longer to get to whatever will be the total number once (if) all this wraps up at whatever time. If medical systems are not overwhelmed then it's better to have the spread faster so as to be able to open up earlier. This can be tracked at local levels.

So first responders, doctors and nurses have no need for PPE is your stance, right?

Maybe the slower spread will give time for a vaccine to be developed. Therefore preventing people from getting sick from covid.

 

[Paradoxical]

Highly doubtful that immunity would have been reached by now. The bright side, the President and his staff is trying hard to achieve it within the White House.

See Sweden, No masks. Very few deaths in the past month. While in the US............

 

[JoeyJoystick]

If The Trumpet had shares in a company manufacturing face masks he would have made it mandatory to wear masks...

Joey

 

[Fishking]

So first responders, doctors and nurses have no need for PPE is your stance, right?

Maybe the slower spread will give time for a vaccine to be developed. Therefore preventing people from getting sick from covid.

Slower spread to reach a possible vaccine is a valid point, but also an unknown one. So far as first responders, doctors, ect...that's no difference than anyone else. So long as the medical systems aren't overwhelmed then it's best to get it over with as the negative results from all the shutdowns are turning into the bigger issue, and we've no idea how deep these problems will go. If our economy utterly collapses then we will be in very dangerous times, when factoring in current partisan dynamics.

 

[trouble13]

Most masks dont do anything. Here's your evidence

Masks prevent healthy people from spreading the disease, that they don't have, seems to be the crazy logic progressives are using

 

[ElChupacabra]

Masks prevent healthy people from spreading the disease, that they don't have, seems to be the crazy logic progressives are using

The correction here is:

Masks prevent seemingly healthy asymptomatic people from spreading the disease, that they don't have, seems to be the crazy logic progressives are using

Correct use of masks, social distancing, and routine hand washing should all be used in conjunction to help prevent the spread.

 

[trouble13]

The correction here is:

Masks prevent seemingly healthy asymptomatic people from spreading the disease, that they don't have, seems to be the crazy logic progressives are using

Correct use of masks, social distancing, and routine hand washing should all be used in conjunction to help prevent the spread.

By that logic the SS was in no danger riding with Trump

 

[spud_meister]

Through your lungs into the air. Just like the smoke in the video on the first post, right through ANY type of mask.

That's not how it works. Viruses don't exist outside cells in the same way as smoke particles do. The viruses can only exit your lungs in mucus because that's how your body removes them. There's no possible mechanism for them to be free floating.

 

[ElChupacabra]

By that logic the SS was in no danger riding with Trump

In that there were in a confined space, yes. I'll give the benefit of the doubt in that I don't know what kind of air filtration system those kind of vehicles are outfitted with since they're designed to withstand chemical attacks.

 

[skeptic llc]

See Sweden, No masks. Very few deaths in the past month. While in the US............

While in the US, infections are now most common in red states even though the disease hit blue states first? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ - top 13 states in cases per 1M population now all red, up from top 12 last time I posted. What proof would red states possibly accept that denying science is not helping?

 

[holbritter]

Most masks dont do anything. Here's your evidence

You really think the same amount of COVID is in each breath like that amount of vapor? And that absolutely none of that vapor was stopped by the mask?
Sad.

 

[Desert Storm]

That's not how it works. Viruses don't exist outside cells in the same way as smoke particles do. The viruses can only exit your lungs in mucus because that's how your body removes them. There's no possible mechanism for them to be free floating.

You realize exhaled breath contains water from your lungs, right??
The virus could easily be transmitted by the exhaled water in your breath.
Why couldnt it be??

 

[Paradoxical]

That's not how it works. Viruses don't exist outside cells in the same way as smoke particles do. The viruses can only exit your lungs in mucus because that's how your body removes them. There's no possible mechanism for them to be free floating.

I don't see you posting too much and it appears you haven't read my previous postings on this issue, so perhaps you are not here that often, and that is OK. I have been posting over the past several days about how masks are useless and why and am going to start a new OP this morning on how and why I am right because of a brand new report that just came out from the CDC yesterday. It seems I have this uncanny ability to post and then a few days or so later a major report comes out proving me right.

Nevertheless the small particles can remain suspended in the air “for minutes to hours,” per the CDC, and may travel and infect others more than 6 feet away. In some instances, the infected individual was breathing heavily, the agency noted.

“Under these circumstances, scientists believe that the amount of infectious smaller droplet and particles produced by the people with COVID-19 became concentrated enough to spread the virus to other people. The people who were infected were in the same space during the same time or shortly after the person with COVID-19 had left.”


Airborne transmission was said to play a large role in the spread of other diseases like tuberculosis, measles and chicken pox.

 

[Paradoxical]

While in the US, infections are now most common in red states even though the disease hit blue states first? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ - top 13 states in cases per 1M population now all red, up from top 12 last time I posted. What proof would red states possibly accept that denying science is not helping?

Yes. I made a few posts on this a few weeks back. The four states that HAD the highest death rates per million ALL wore masks.Since they HAD the highest death rates, that means the virus culled the herd of those susceptible, irregardless of masks because those four states will wore them just like other states. What happened is the candidates in New York, New Jersey, Mass and Conn. were thinned out and COVID couldn't find anymore victims.

Switch to the states that had fewer deaths than those four and now you see the virus continuing to find and kill candidates because the herd had not yet been culled. Sorry to be so clinical, but that is the truth.

 

[skeptic llc]

Yes. I made a few posts on this a few weeks back. The four states that HAD the highest death rates per million ALL wore masks.Since they HAD the highest death rates, that means the virus culled the herd of those susceptible, irregardless of masks because those four states will wore them just like other states. What happened is the candidates in New York, New Jersey, Mass and Conn. were thinned out and COVID couldn't find anymore victims.

Switch to the states that had fewer deaths than those four and now you see the virus continuing to find and kill candidates because the herd had not yet been culled. Sorry to be so clinical, but that is the truth.

Interesting take. How would you respond to the point that of the many, many red and blue states that did not cull the herd, it is now the red ones where the virus is spreading most successfully? I can see you claiming that is a good thing, which would not be unreasonable and is a separate topic, but I don't see how there can be a continued debate that following the recommendations to slow the spread do, in fact, slow the spread (and flaunting them has the opposite effect).

 

[Paradoxical]

Interesting take. How would you respond to the point that of the many, many red and blue states that did not cull the herd, it is now the red ones where the virus is spreading most successfully? I can see you claiming that is a good thing, which would not be unreasonable and is a separate topic, but I don't see how there can be a continued debate that following the recommendations to slow the spread do, in fact, slow the spread (and flaunting them has the opposite effect).

It's because you need to stop the insane tribalism of one tribe against the other. COVID doesn't care about any tribes. This is not a red and blue issue and it is definitely not about who wore masks and who didn't. California where I live and I suspect many other states that are "red" had private businesses that STILL required masks even if there was a week or so where some governor said businesses could reopen. There was NO time where California's businesses allowed people in stores, etc. without a mask because they were afraid of being sued. Thus, any contention that red states were running around without masks is wrong (South Dakota who has a low death rate excepted).

So, here is what happened and the only logical thing. New York, New Jersey, Conn., and Mass,were literally hammered and everyone there wore masks You know this. The question would be...."Just how many old and sick people were there in those four states that the virus would be able to kill?" and when the virus did that, it was basically done, as we can see from their now very low death rate. Then, we switch to other states, red AND blue that HAD low death rates and we find THEM getting hammered. California is a BLUE state, so you can't single out Texas and cherry pick other red states, as I could do the same and I believe a more careful analysis would show it has zero to do with mask or no mask as we have seen in Sweden, Manaus and Belarus.

So, it is as simple as the states that had a temporary reprieve was just the lull before the storm because there were still victims left for the virus to infect and kill but had not yet gotten around to.

 

[skeptic llc]

It's because you need to stop the insane tribalism of one tribe against the other. COVID doesn't care about any tribes. This is not a red and blue issue and it is definitely not about who wore masks and who didn't. California where I live and I suspect many other states that are "red" had private businesses that STILL required masks even if there was a week or so where some governor said businesses could reopen. There was NO time where California's businesses allowed people in stores, etc. without a mask because they were afraid of being sued. Thus, any contention that red states were running around without masks is wrong (South Dakota who has a low death rate excepted).

So, here is what happened and the only logical thing. New York, New Jersey, Conn., and Mass,were literally hammered and everyone there wore masks You know this. The question would be...."Just how many old and sick people were there in those four states that the virus would be able to kill?" and when the virus did that, it was basically done, as we can see from their now very low death rate. Then, we switch to other states, red AND blue that HAD low death rates and we find THEM getting hammered. California is a BLUE state, so you can't single out Texas and cherry pick other red states, as I could do the same and I believe a more careful analysis would show it has zero to do with mask or no mask as we have seen in Sweden, Manaus and Belarus.

So, it is as simple as the states that had a temporary reprieve was just the lull before the storm because there were still victims left for the virus to infect and kill but had not yet gotten around to.

Thanks, but I'm not sure you're responding to my question. Looking at the spread of the virus (cases/1M population -- not death rates), the top 13 states are now all red. That's not cherry-picking; red states are doing an undeniably awful job at controlling the spread. The reason is not simply that the virus burned out in blue states first. The handful of blue states that got hit before anyone knew anything subsequently embraced mask requirements, etc., and the spread hit a wall.

Meanwhile, though, blue states that were NOT hit early also have controlled the spread, relative to the nation. It is the red states in the same position (not hit early) where the spread has been the worst, and that have also shown significantly more resistance to following the guidelines. I think the reason the virus is thriving in states that resist following health guidelines is patently obvious, but I'm wondering if you have an alternate explanation. What else would explain why every single one of the states with the most spread is a red state? (Note -- the virus cannot tell red from blue, but red and blue have exhibited massive cultural differences in terms of acceptance of guidelines. It's not insane tribalism to acknowledge that one tribe generally embraced them, and the other did not.)

 

[Paradoxical]

Thanks, but I'm not sure you're responding to my question. Looking at the spread of the virus (cases/1M population -- not death rates), the top 13 states are now all red. That's not cherry-picking; red states are doing an undeniably awful job at controlling the spread. The reason is not simply that the virus burned out in blue states first. The handful of blue states that got hit before anyone knew anything subsequently embraced mask requirements, etc., and the spread hit a wall.

Meanwhile, though, blue states that were NOT hit early also have controlled the spread, relative to the nation. It is the red states in the same position (not hit early) where the spread has been the worst, and that have also shown significantly more resistance to following the guidelines. I think the reason the virus is thriving in states that resist following health guidelines is patently obvious, but I'm wondering if you have an alternate explanation. What else would explain why every single one of the states with the most spread is a red state? (Note -- the virus cannot tell red from blue, but red and blue have exhibited massive cultural differences in terms of acceptance of guidelines. It's not insane tribalism to acknowledge that one tribe generally embraced them, and the other did not.)

WHY are you ignoring California?

By the way, cases are irrelevant to me because they don't show the severity of the case.All it means is more people were tested. I think I had COVID and was never tested.

 

[skeptic llc]

WHY are you ignoring California?

Ignoring what about California? It is a blue state that is 29th in cases per million (where 1 is worst), and 26th in deaths per million (where, again, 1 is worst). It is doing better than the national average in both categories. I don't like deaths per million as a measure because it is a lagging indicator, but even if you do, I can't see what your point is about California. It's a blue state that accepted the guidance and so has less spread than the many red states that didn't.