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'Maryland man' Kilmar Abrego Garcia exposed in police records as 'violent' repeat wife beater (1 Viewer)

Cosmo said:
Cool! Then the problem is solved.

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So to sum up, we have a man who was granted protection from deportation by the US, has committed no crime other than misdemeanor illegal entry — erased by the grant of protection — has been charged with no crime, is serving no sentence, and faces indefinite detention without trial. A perfect summary of Trump’s brand of justice.

Maybe if underachiever Garcia had committed war crimes Trump could have pardoned him.
 
I suspect Garcia was originally allowed to stay in the country because he was an informant for the FBI but then the case came to Trump's attention and he said, "I don't like snitches. Get him out of here."
 
Cosmo said:
Cool! Then the problem is solved.
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Not until he is released and returned to the US.

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You can watch the whole thing if interested, of course. The relevant quote I was referring to starts at 6:14, where Van Hollen recounts his question and response to the question of why Garcia is being held by the El Salvadoran government.
 
Nickyjo said:
So to sum up, we have a man who was granted protection from deportation by the US, has committed no crime other than misdemeanor illegal entry — erased by the grant of protection — has been charged with no crime, is serving no sentence, and faces indefinite detention without trial. A perfect summary of Trump’s brand of justice.

Maybe if underachiever Garcia had committed war crimes Trump could have pardoned him.
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In hindsight, maybe he should have been at J6. That way he could have received a full pardon.
:)
 
ashurbanipal said:
No, I am not. There was only one hearing in which the government tried to say that he's a member of MS-13, and I posted the ruling from that hearing, which made clear that that hearing was a bond hearing. There was also only one hearing at which he was granted withholding of deportation. So we cannot be talking about something else. You're just wrong. You've got your facts wrong.
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Yes, you are talking about something else.

ashurbanipal said:
Meaning what? That's simply a non-response to what I've said on that topic. If we do something morally wrong to someone, it doesn't really matter whether we do it in their country or not.
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He's being sent to his country. He's from El Salvador.
 
dcsports said:
Yes, you are talking about something else.


He's being sent to his country. He's from El Salvador.
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He had been granted withholding of removal to El Salvador.
 
ElChupacabra said:
But was living here legally, and was sent back to his home country in error. That's not the way it works.
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Not really. He came here illegally, was living here illegally, and had a deportation order.

The deportation was put on 'withhold' status temporarily, so he was allowed to stay for the moment. Don't conflate that with any effort to come here through a legal process.
 
Gaius46 said:
Nope you are wrong. And every court right up the US Supreme Court has said you are wrong.
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Nope. And SCOTUS didn't play a role in what I'm talking about.
 
dcsports said:
Nope. And SCOTUS didn't play a role in what I'm talking about.
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Really now? A judge needs to remove the withhold from deportation order. That didn't happen. That means there was no due process.

Had there been due process and Alberto-Garcia legally deported the USSC would have either not heard the case or granted the government's motion. They didn't.
 
dcsports said:
Not really. He came here illegally, was living here illegally, and had a deportation order.

The deportation was put on 'withhold' status temporarily, so he was allowed to stay for the moment. Don't conflate that with any effort to come here through a legal process.
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He was granted withholding of deportation/removal from El Salvador, so he was not living here illegally. If conditions changed in El Salvador, he could have been sent there, but given his US-citizen family and other equities, he likely would have been allied to stay here. But the first Trump administration reported on abuses in El Salvador, including torture, arbitrary arrest, lack of judicial review, et al., and things haven’t changed much since.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Not until he is released and returned to the US.




You can watch the whole thing if interested, of course. The relevant quote I was referring to starts at 6:14, where Van Hollen recounts his question and response to the question of why Garcia is being held by the El Salvadoran government.
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I guess the VP and P of El Salvador have their work cut out for them: are they keeping him only because they are getting paid, or at least partly because they think he's a terrorist. Because my reading and viewing of that video suggests they provided different answers.
 
Crakhobarbie said:
What a moronic statement.
Us leftist scum are abiding by the Constitution.
It's the maga fools who think Donald should be allowed to send folks off to foreign gulags without due process.
I guess you didn't hear what happened today.
The 4th circuit Court of Appeals three judge panel ruled against the Trump administration's attempt at ignoring the Supreme Court's decision to facilitate the return of Garcia.
In the ruling today they said if they allowed the trumps administrations actions, "It would reduce the rule of law to lawlessness and tarnish the very values for which Americans of diverse views and persuasions have
always stood"
Thus, the "leftist scum" are supporting the Constitution while the Trump administration and all their boot licking sycophants angrily support unconstitutional activities.

Your backing the wrong horse.

Read it for yourself:

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Why should I read anything put out by a left wing obviously biased judge and expect it be fair and truthful.



The people "backing the wrong horse" are the progressive far left who would support bringing this scumbag BACK to the US, who support males playing in girls sports, who support open borders, and think the American populace is going to buy in their bullshit. What part of Nov 5, did you not understand?


This topic is closed for me. Hearing the same Democratic party line over and over is boring. You people know nothing and are incapable of learning anything.
 
Nickyjo said:
So to sum up, we have a man who was granted protection from deportation by the US, has committed no crime other than misdemeanor illegal entry — erased by the grant of protection
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A grant of protection = full pardon?
Nickyjo said:
— has been charged with no crime, is serving no sentence, and faces indefinite detention without trial. A perfect summary of Trump’s brand of justice.

Maybe if underachiever Garcia had committed war crimes Trump could have pardoned him.
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and human trafficker

perfect liberal Democrat poster child - triple down and die defending this illegally came here/non US citizen/gang banger/wife beater/human trafficker


I guess if we find out he's a rapist and into child porn he can fit every horrible thing Democrats protect



Kilmar Abrego-Garcia suspected of human trafficking in report obtained by Fox News​

Abrego-Garcia is suspected of partaking in labor/human trafficking, according to Homeland Security Investigations memo​

 
Nickyjo said:
He was granted withholding of deportation/removal from El Salvador, so he was not living here illegally. If conditions changed in El Salvador, he could have been sent there, but given his US-citizen family and other equities, he likely would have been allied to stay here. But the first Trump administration reported on abuses in El Salvador, including torture, arbitrary arrest, lack of judicial review, et al., and things haven’t changed much since.
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Again - not to be confused here. He never followed a legal process to gain residency in the US.

He was here illegally - no question. He was ordered deported. His deportation order was placed in a 'withhold' status - meaning he was allowed to remain here temporarily.

Being associated with a gang now tagged as a foreign terrorist organization changed his eligibility for withholding. No question they should have gone through the process to officially remove it.
 
GIJane said:
Why should I read anything put out by a left wing obviously biased judge and expect it be fair and truthful.
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Dear Jane,
I understand you think this topic is closed for you.
But the only thing closed is your mind.
You think the Supreme Court is a left wing obviously biased judge?
Open your eyes.
The entire judicial system disagrees with the Trump administration here.
From the Supreme Court down.
There's no viable way for you to spin this in donalds favor, except in your own mind, and the minds of all donalds sycophants.
I'd post multiple citations supporting my statements.
But you are incapable of seeing reality.
Culties gunna cult.
 
Cosmo said:
I already addressed this. He's free to come back as soon as he squares away his problems with El Salvador.
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His problem with El Salvador is the US is paying them to keep him locked up. 🤣
 
dcsports said:
Not really. He came here illegally, was living here illegally, and had a deportation order.

The deportation was put on 'withhold' status temporarily, so he was allowed to stay for the moment. Don't conflate that with any effort to come here through a legal process.
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At no point did I do that, and am pointing out that he was not here illegally because he was granted a protective status, which means he is not here illegally until that is adjudicated. That's important here because that status had not changed.
 
Cosmo said:
I guess the VP and P of El Salvador have their work cut out for them: are they keeping him only because they are getting paid, or at least partly because they think he's a terrorist.
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Based on Van Hollen's conversation with the El Salvadoran VP (Félix Ulloa), it was because the US is paying them to since the El Salvadoran authorities have not charged him with anything. If they think he's a terrorist, they've done nothing to explain why that's the case.

Cosmo said:
Because my reading and viewing of that video suggests they provided different answers.
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The most salient one is the one I referenced, and the basic fact they have not charged with Garcia with anything.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Based on Van Hollen's conversation with the El Salvadoran VP (Félix Ulloa), it was because the US is paying them to since the El Salvadoran authorities have not charged him with anything. If they think he's a terrorist, they've done nothing to explain why that's the case.


The most salient one is the one I referenced, and the basic fact they have not charged with Garcia with anything.
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Why? Does the VP overrule the President?
 
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