'Maryland man' Kilmar Abrego Garcia exposed in police records as 'violent' repeat wife beater (1 Viewer)

[Gaius46]

Two Judges found reason to believe he is a member of MS-13. Those findings have not been changed.
To begin with, he entered the US illegally.
He was arrested with drugs and cash and 2 other members of MS-13
His wife said he punched her and injured her.
I just don't have much empathy for this clown.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence | Homeland Security

The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

www.dhs.gov

My son has a Chicago Bulls hat. That make him a member of MS-13. That is an intolerably low
bar.

And where are the actual court findings? Kristi Noem's word is worth shit.

 

[Cosmo]

Says cosmo to the Jews of Germany.

 

[Ahlevah]

The difference is that Trump WAS GIVEN due process and WAS FOUND LIABLE FOR RAPE. What part of that don't you understand? If you have been adjudicated as a rapist I think it is fair to say that other woman in the past who have accused are more likely telling the truth than not. Especially given Trump's own words on the subject.

I don’t understand the part where people conclude Trump must have criminally raped his wife because he was found civilly liable of groping E. Jean Carroll in a department store dressing room back in the mid-1990s. That makes a mockery of the concept of due process. It’s an opinion—like the one that says Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a terrorist who should spend the rest of his life rotting in a supermax prison located in a Salvadoran jungle.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Sure, they made an administrative error, and should have formally revoked the withholding. As you noted, the attorney was fired for his handling of the case.

They can’t revoke the court order. Only the court can rescind it.

That’s the point of having three COEQUAL branches of government. The government could go back to the court and ask them to rescind it. The court would then decide if there was reason to. That’s how that works.

 

[Gaius46]

He had a deportation hearing and appeal - Biden was president. That was his due process.

wrong. so very utterly wrong.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Sounds like they picked up on some activity that led them to think he was deportable (like the protection order along with the police report perhaps led them to believe he was an MS-13 thug), and missed a status condition somewhere that said he wasn't.

And you know this how?

If you don’t know this you are guessing.

Would you deport yourself to an El Salvadorian prison based on guess work? Don’t bother, we know the answer. You wouldn’t.

You’d apply to others that which you wouldn’t have applied to yourself. Not ethical.

 

[smb3802]

I don’t understand the part where people conclude Trump must have criminally raped his wife because he was found civilly liable of groping E. Jean Carroll in a department store dressing room back in the mid-1990s. That makes a mockery of the concept of due process. It’s an opinion—like the one that says Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a terrorist who should spend the rest of his life rotting in a supermax prison located in a Salvadoran jungle.

It wasn't just a grope. He was found to have inserted his digits into here vagina. That is rape. The judge stated such is in his finding of fact in his ruling. 18 other woman have come forward with similar stories of Trump sexually assaulting to various degrees. The fact that he was found liable for rape in one case lends a lot of credence to all the other allegations. Trump's own words lend credence to the allegations. You can choose not to believe them but it seems silly given the body of evidence. Anyone with any logic and sense would conclude that he is a serial abuser of women.

 

[upsideguy]

lolol

You never gave Trump an ounce of the deference you're giving the illegal woman beater.

I would suggest the complete opposite --- you are not giving Garcia an once of deference you asked for Trump. The HUGE difference is that Trump actually had due process (which he abused) and as a result of the due process he did have, was actually found by a court of law to be responsible for sexual assault (not to mention fraud and insurrection). He has also been criminally convicted of fraud. You, OTH, have zero problem saying this guy is an "illegal woman beater" without any due process behind it. What gives you that right.

Meanwhile, the character of Garcia (who is a man of better character than Trump) is completely irrelevant to the issue. He is entitled to due process and never should have been disappeared.

 

[ashurbanipal]

Then you are looking at something else. I'm talking about the deportation hearing and the appeal. Which were prior to the hearing where he convinced a judge to withhold the appeal with conflicting information.

No, I am not. There was only one hearing in which the government tried to say that he's a member of MS-13, and I posted the ruling from that hearing, which made clear that that hearing was a bond hearing. There was also only one hearing at which he was granted withholding of deportation. So we cannot be talking about something else. You're just wrong. You've got your facts wrong.

OK. Again - it's his country.

Meaning what? That's simply a non-response to what I've said on that topic. If we do something morally wrong to someone, it doesn't really matter whether we do it in their country or not. Or, if you disagree with that principle, it's difficult to figure out what possible problem you could have with immigrants who do commit crimes in this country, since, after all, the victims of those crimes are in their own country.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Yes, they made an administrative error in not formally revoking the withholding order.

Well, we're not clear on what that administrative error was. If it is as you claim, this is beyond just an administrative error, but one complete bypassing due process.

He was no longer eligible for it, but it sounds like they should have followed the process of formally revoking it.

Incorrect, because the granting of withhold from removal status already established he was deemed a non threat to remain here, and more importantly, ICE did not appeal the immigration ruling granting him that protective status. You are correct that the legal step would have been to challenge that ruling.

That doesn't change the results of the previous deportation hearing and appeal, that I referred to.

It most certainly does, because in granting him a withholding from removal, it establishes a court determined he was not a threat to remain here, which they likely would not have granted if there was clear evidence of him being a gang member. That evidence was hearsay and the person making that claim was never cross examined by the defendant's attorneys since his claims were never brought to any kind of trial.

Again - not his bond hearing.

That's the only one where his supposed gang association first came up.

 

[bomberfox]

But the judge who presided over his 2019 case said that based on the confidential information, there was sufficient evidence to support Mr Abrego Garcia's gang membership. That finding was later upheld by another judge.

As a result Mr Abrego Garcia was refused bail and remained in custody. During this time he applied for asylum to prevent his deportation to El Salvador.

In October 2019 he was granted a "withholding of removal" order, court documents show - a status different from asylum, but one which prevented the US government from sending him back to El Salvador because he could face harm.

Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say that he was granted the status based on his "well-founded" fear of persecution by Barrio-18, the main rival gang of MS-13.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What is alleged and what we know

BBC Verify looks at the evidence behind allegations that the Salvadoran mistakenly deported to a mega-prison was a dangerous gang member.

www.bbc.com

In new york? That was the claim, hes never been to new york. Its not cut and dry at all, thats why the courts are demanding his return. Why is due process too much of an ask? There are several more quite likely innocent people shipped to that slave camp. If they send women there its a death sentence if they even so much as miscarriage.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Two Judges found reason to believe he is a member of MS-13. Those findings have not been changed.
To begin with, he entered the US illegally.
He was arrested with drugs and cash and 2 other members of MS-13
His wife said he punched her and injured her.
I just don't have much empathy for this clown.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia is an MS-13 Gang member with a History of Violence | Homeland Security

The mainstream media has peddled a sob story about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. The facts are he is an illegal alien from El Salvador, a MS-13 gang member, and has a history of violence.

www.dhs.gov

You are missing the point.

That isn't established.

"The allegation seems to stem from double hearsay in a document authored by a later suspended police detective."

That is what due process is for.

The Trump admin unconstitutionally denied him due process.

Period.

That is the issue.

 

[ElChupacabra]

Thanks for demonstrating neither of you read the link.

I read it. I'm just waiting for you to thread the needle between it and the administrative error made by the current administration.

She broke her ****ing word. Are you not following the conversation? She says whatever is convenient at the moment.

I am following the conversation. You're failing to address how it's relevant to the case of the government erroneously deporting a person.

He's welcome to come back. Not our fault he's run afoul of the government of El Salvador.

The government of El Salvador isn't saying that either. Their claim is he's being held because the US is paying them to.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Thanks for demonstrating neither of you read the link.

She broke her ****ing word. Are you not following the conversation? She says whatever is convenient at the moment.

He's welcome to come back. Not our fault he's run afoul of the government of El Salvador.

So......no response?

 

[Michael Cole]

Have a good one!

All my days are good.

Get back to me when you have an argument. Due process is given at the border. That you don't know this indicates an inability to argue rationally.

Better luck to ya.

 

[Michael Cole]

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This guy must not have read the book.

 

[Nickyjo]

An impossibility considering the shear number of illegal criminals in our country.

Liberals know this but they'll do anything to slow down the process,

Your source for the number of “illegal criminals” is?

 

[What if...?]

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If it walks alike a nazi and talks like a nazi it’s likely a nazi.

Simple logic.

Every tyrant rose to power on the backs of beta types. They promise to give them power when they couldn’t get it for themselves.

Then that tyrant ****s them too.

History repeats itself.

We just got the dumbest tyrant with the most ignorant betas.

 

[TangoNoCash]

Sure, they made an administrative error, and should have formally revoked the withholding. As you noted, the attorney was fired for his handling of the case.

We all know attorney was fired for admitting a mistake had been made. Standard vengeance tour fare and behavior of a sociopath unable of accepting blame or criticism. Aka the president of the United States. Sad.

 

[Cosmo]

And you know this how?

Just going off of what DHS posted on their site.

If you don’t know this you are guessing.

Would you deport yourself to an El Salvadorian prison based on guess work? Don’t bother, we know the answer. You wouldn’t.

You’d apply to others that which you wouldn’t have applied to yourself. Not ethical.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Just going off of what DHS posted on their site.

Trump lied more than 30,000 times in four years. No wonder we're still exhausted.

Washington Post fact checkers have released their final tally of presidential BS.

www.motherjones.com

WaPo and others documented over THIRTY THOUSAND LIES AND MISSTATEMENTS OF FACTS during Trump’s first administration.

So you’d put someone’s very life down on that track record? You’d have YOUR OWN LIFE surrendered to that track record?

We know the answer. You wouldn’t. Yet you’d do it to someone else. Unethical.

It’s why we have courts, to prevent stuff like this.

 

[smb3802]

Just going off of what DHS posted on their site.

yeah we all know Homan is an objective source...

 

[Cosmo]

So......no response?

No response to what? You demonstrated you don't know the law, and I pointed this out. Did you ask a question?

I read it.

Then you didn't comprehend it.

I'm just waiting for you to thread the needle between it and the administrative error made by the current administration.

Based on info released by the DHS, it sounds like the government used clues and records regarding this man and arrived at a reason to deport him. Part of those appear to be the protection order. The left is using the wife's new story as proof of his good character. I find it questionable at best.

I am following the conversation. You're failing to address how it's relevant to the case of the government erroneously deporting a person.


The government of El Salvador isn't saying that either. Their claim is he's being held because the US is paying them to.

The President of El Salvador said he's a terrorist and that he won't smuggle him into the US. That's what I read as his statement.

 

[Anthony60]

All my days are good.

Get back to me when you have an argument. Due process is given at the border. That you don't know this indicates an inability to argue rationally.

Better luck to ya.

And you get back to me when you are capable of a replying without insults. Okay?

 

[NolanVoyd]

No response to what? You demonstrated you don't know the law, and I pointed this out. Did you ask a question?

No, I demonstrated you don't know the law.

That is what due process is for.

Then you didn't comprehend it.

Based on info released by the DHS, it sounds like the government used clues and records regarding this man and arrived at a reason to deport him.

he was entitled to due process. The Trump admin unconstitutionally denied him due process

you keep failing to unserstand that.

This is the issue

The administration is “asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order,” wrote Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson in an opinion for a panel of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

“Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done,” he wrote. “This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”

Part of those appear to be the protection order. The left is using the wife's new story as proof of his good character. I find it questionable at best.

The President of El Salvador said he's a terrorist and that he won't smuggle him into the US. That's what I read as his statement.