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When more of our money goes to other countries than what we receive from other countries, that is the definition of a trade deficit.

We are losing money.
Wow. You would follow Trump the imbecile right off a cliff, apparently. That's got to be your (and his) most ridiculous claim to date, and that's really saying something.

When "our money goes to other countries," that money buys a product. We get the product. There's no "money lost" in the transaction.

Same with when we receive money from other countries -- We've got to deliver the product. That's the deal!

What you and Trump are saying is the most unbelievably stupid claim imaginable. Has Trump's brain turned to mush, or has it always been mush, that is the question.
 
You should take an economics course at your local community college as you clearly do not understand how the world economy works. You might take Trump with you on bring a friend day, as he is equally clueless.... probably reading too much Zero Hedge; a publication designed to manipulate you rather than educate you.

Deficits don’t matter? What a stupid statement. They can matter, especially the way we’ve been running them the last several decades. You can’t keep running $1.2 trillion merchandise trade deficits indefinitely and not have it matter, unless the aim is to grow everyone else’s economy while you just assume ever-increasing levels of debt.

So depending on several factors, including what it is you’re importing and who’s selling it to you, deficits can matter. If it’s cheap Chinese steel or aluminum dumped into your economy because there is too much capacity at home and China uses state power to support it, that’s a problem. The metals and mining industry is an example of a critical industry that the United States needs for its own national security and well-being. We don’t need to be dependent on China for the steel and aluminum we use to build our ships, aircraft, tanks, trucks, cars, buildings, and other products.

Also, if the United States is going to continue to prosper and innovate, it needs investment. If we just consume and don’t invest in the productive capacity of our economy, living standards of Americans over time will deteriorate. It’s also a question of who we want owning our country and economy, because every dollar sent overseas is a potential claim on our existing assets and productive capacity. I mean, maybe it doesn’t matter to you who owns the land, buildings, factories, and companies of this country, but it does to me. Do we want, for example, communist China possibly exerting its ownership of U.S. Treasury debt as a political weapon? I don’t. You don’t think that’s a problem?
 
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Well that makes it quite convenient for you. Just leave out all old/older people who have to cash in their retirement investments every month (as has been their plan forever) and everything is peachy.

Truth is, old/older MAGAs are getting hammered and you have to pretend it's not happening to support your political girlfriend and his madness (extortion).
 
Truth is, old/older MAGAs are getting hammered and you have to pretend it's not happening to support your political girlfriend and his madness (extortion).

People who are getting hammered are the ones who: 1) bought into the hype of Joe and Kamala’s fiscally-juiced “booming” economy; 2) are being forced to sell because they got greedy and assumed too much risk for their circumstances; or 3) are selling in a panic because the world is ending as the Antichrist takes charge. 😆
 
People who are getting hammered are the ones who: 1) bought into the hype of Joe and Kamala’s fiscally-juiced “booming” economy; 2) are being forced to sell because they got greedy and assumed too much risk for their circumstances; or 3) are selling in a panic because the world is ending as the Antichrist takes charge. 😆

You left out everyone who just regularly contributes to their retirement accounts every payday

Trump ****ed all of those schmoes too



The value of people's retirement account is still down

The cause of the downturn remains in power
so, this is not over yet.

The Trump Slump is still sinking
 
People who are getting hammered are the ones who: 1) bought into the hype of Joe and Kamala’s fiscally-juiced “booming” economy; 2) are being forced to sell because they got greedy and assumed too much risk for their circumstances; or 3) are selling in a panic because the world is ending as the Antichrist takes charge. 😆
No, people that are getting hammered are old/older Americans (tons of MAGAs) whose plan has always been to liquidate their retirement on the monthly basis to survive/pay bills.

You know, a financial plan.
 
Deficits don’t matter? What a stupid statement. They can matter, especially the way we’ve been running them the last several decades. You can’t keep running $1.2 trillion merchandise trade deficits indefinitely and not have it matter, unless the aim is to grow everyone else’s economy while you just assume ever-increasing levels of debt.

So depending on several factors, including what it is you’re importing and who’s selling it to you, deficits can matter. If it’s cheap Chinese steel or aluminum dumped into your economy because there is too much capacity at home and China uses state power to support it, that’s a problem. The metals and mining industry is an example of a critical industry that the United States needs for its own national security and well-being. We don’t need to be dependent on China for the steel and aluminum we use to build our ships, aircraft, tanks, trucks, cars, buildings, and other products.

Also, if the United States is going to continue to prosper and innovate, it needs investment. If we just consume and don’t invest in the productive capacity of our economy, living standards of Americans over time will deteriorate. It’s also a question of who we want owning our country and economy, because every dollar sent overseas is a potential claim on our existing assets and productive capacity. I mean, maybe it doesn’t matter to you who owns the land, buildings, factories, and companies of this country, but it does to me. Do we want, for example, communist China possibly exerting its ownership of U.S. Treasury debt as a political weapon? I don’t. You don’t think that’s a problem?
I gave multiples cites (one of them from the Heritage Foundation) supporting my statement so it is obviously not stupid. You, OTH, go on a rambling rage post spouting stuff out of your head showing us all you don't have a clue about the subject as you could not actually speak the specific points, but wandered off on tangents (you are not telling us deficits matter, only that certain critical materials matter -- interesting, a nice exception, but it does not refute the point the deficits do matter. That is not the topic of this discussion. If you want to have that discussion, start that thread and we will discuss.

Did you get it all out?

I will agree with one thing, deficits CAN matter, but they do not necessarily matter (they are not bad by definition) the latter of which was the point of my post. They certainly do not matter the way Trump, thinks they matter. He is fundamentally ignorant of economics and therefore is doing significant damages with his tariffs. Citing the country by country trade deficit as an example that we are being screwed as Trump as suggested and the poster I responded to echoed is pure economic ignorance.

Do you actually have an intelligent response here? Do you have a credible cite backs up your rant? Do you understand the natural interdependencies of world economy? (we are in deep do do right now because the world is de-coupling from America economically because they have lost some faith in the dollar), do you want to tell us where you did your graduate work in economics so we can accept your expertise? Otherwise here is a dime Mr. Hart....
 

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People who are getting hammered are the ones who: 1) bought into the hype of Joe and Kamala’s fiscally-juiced “booming” economy; 2) are being forced to sell because they got greedy and assumed too much risk for their circumstances; or 3) are selling in a panic because the world is ending as the Antichrist takes charge. 😆
You left out a couple of groups: large institutional and foreign investors who've understandably lost confidence in the US as a good place for a reliable return.
 
You left out everyone who just regularly contributes to their retirement accounts every payday

Trump ****ed all of those schmoes too



The value of people's retirement account is still down

The cause of the downturn remains in power
so, this is not over yet.

The Trump Slump is still sinking

Diversification is your friend. Hopefully, your entire 401(k) is not in an S&P 500 index fund because it went up 53% in two years and you got greedy. Bubbles are great going up, not so fun on the way down.
 
Well that makes it quite convenient for you. Just leave out all old/older people who have to cash in their retirement investments every month (as has been their plan forever) and everything is peachy.
Did you bring that up when it dipped under Biden .......somehow I'm doubting it LOL
Truth is, old/older MAGAs are getting hammered and you have to pretend it's not happening to support your political girlfriend and his madness (extortion).
I guess you can quote me then doing that.............NOT
 
No, people that are getting hammered are old/older Americans (tons of MAGAs) whose plan has always been to liquidate their retirement on the monthly basis to survive/pay bills.

You know, a financial plan.

Like I told the other guy, diversification is your friend. Even cash is an investment asset. Sometimes not losing money is the best investment you can make, especially if it’s money you can’t afford to lose. I view market upheavals and recessions as an opportunity to buy stocks on sale. That’s why I always have some cash on hand. Never in a million years did I think I’d see a trifecta of Fed tightening after a decade of free money, historically-high bubble valuations in multiple asset classes, including stocks, and weakening economic fundamentals. Trump’s idiocy is simply a bonus—like a shovel-full of sand instead of the grain that causes the pile to collapse in an Abelian sandpile model. I’m saying this strictly from an investment standpoint. Out of chaos springs opportunity, perhaps the opportunity of a lifetime. Stay tuned. 👋
 
Like I told the other guy, diversification is your friend. Even cash is an investment asset. Sometimes not losing money is the best investment you can make, especially if it’s money you can’t afford to lose. I view market upheavals and recessions as an opportunity to buy stocks on sale. That’s why I always have some cash on hand. Never in a million years did I think I’d see a trifecta of Fed tightening after a decade of free money, historically-high bubble valuations in multiple asset classes, including stocks, and weakening economic fundamentals. Trump’s idiocy is simply a bonus—like a shovel-full of sand instead of the grain that causes the pile to collapse in an Abelian sandpile model. I’m saying this strictly from an investment standpoint. Out of chaos springs opportunity, perhaps the opportunity of a lifetime. Stay tuned. 👋
So you're just going to continue to run from the fact that old/older people have had a financial plan forever and Trump ****ed it up and they're never going to get that lost money back because as part of their financial plan they sell the securities that they have accumulated over their lifetime to pay for their monthly bills.

That sounds about right.
 
Wow. You would follow Trump the imbecile right off a cliff, apparently. That's got to be your (and his) most ridiculous claim to date, and that's really saying something.

When "our money goes to other countries," that money buys a product. We get the product. There's no "money lost" in the transaction.

Same with when we receive money from other countries -- We've got to deliver the product. That's the deal!

What you and Trump are saying is the most unbelievably stupid claim imaginable. Has Trump's brain turned to mush, or has it always been mush, that is the question.
Who knew trade was so complicated. LOL
 
Diversification is your friend. Hopefully, your entire 401(k) is not in an S&P 500 index fund because it went up 53% in two years and you got greedy. Bubbles are great going up, not so fun on the way down.

'k

As long you continue to ignore the part where

>60% of everyday Americans are the people who are bearing the negative consequences

I guess everything is okay, right?


...right?
 
'k

As long you continue to ignore the part where

>60% of everyday Americans are the people who are bearing the negative consequences

I guess everything is okay, right?


...right?

I’m not ignoring it. I’ve repeatedly pointed out that stocks are risk assets that from time to time lose a lot of money quickly. They don’t always go up. So people should invest based in part on their ability to withstand that loss, practically or emotionally.
 
I’m not ignoring it. I’ve repeatedly pointed out that stocks are risk assets that from time to time lose a lot of money quickly. They don’t always go up. So people should invest based in part on their ability to withstand that loss, practically or emotionally.
People who are getting hammered are the ones who: 1) bought into the hype of Joe and Kamala’s fiscally-juiced “booming” economy; 2) are being forced to sell because they got greedy and assumed too much risk for their circumstances; or 3) are selling in a panic because the world is ending as the Antichrist takes charge. 😆

I failed to notice where you listed people who just regularly contribute to their retirement accounts every payday

You set up your comment and other comments as though
the people who lost money because of Trump's **** ups are somehow responsible for the consequences they faced
from Trump ****ing up.
 
I gave multiples cites (one of them from the Heritage Foundation) supporting my statement so it is obviously not stupid. You, OTH, go on a rambling rage post spouting stuff out of your head showing us all you don't have a clue about the subject as you could not actually speak the specific points, but wandered off on tangents (you are not telling us deficits matter, only that certain critical materials matter -- interesting, a nice exception, but it does not refute the point the deficits do matter. That is not the topic of this discussion. If you want to have that discussion, start that thread and we will discuss.

Did you get it all out?

I will agree with one thing, deficits CAN matter, but they do not necessarily matter (they are not bad by definition) the latter of which was the point of my post. They certainly do not matter the way Trump, thinks they matter. He is fundamentally ignorant of economics and therefore is doing significant damages with his tariffs. Citing the country by country trade deficit as an example that we are being screwed as Trump as suggested and the poster I responded to echoed is pure economic ignorance.

Do you actually have an intelligent response here? Do you have a credible cite backs up your rant? Do you understand the natural interdependencies of world economy? (we are in deep do do right now because the world is de-coupling from America economically because they have lost some faith in the dollar), do you want to tell us where you did your graduate work in economics so we can accept your expertise? Otherwise here is a dime Mr. Hart....

My views and criticisms of U.S. trade policy, including our blind acceptance of chronic trade deficits, dovetail with those of New Right economists like Oren Cass. The statement below in his essay Free Trade’s Origin Myth nicely sums up one reason I think globalism and “free trade,” especially where it concerns hostile state actors like China, is a problem for the United States:

(A) nation’s capital investments, the capabilities it develops in its firms and workers, the supply chains it fosters, and the types of research and development it pursues all have important implications for the trajectory of its growth, the opportunities available to its citizens, and its power on the global stage. What is made in a country determines what else is made in the country; and what will be made tomorrow.

Andy Grove, the brilliant engineer who led Intel in its heyday, warned after his retirement about the folly of believing that a nation could offshore manufacturing while keeping innovation at home. “Our pursuit of our individual businesses, which often involves transferring manufacturing and a great deal of engineering out of the country, has hindered our ability to bring innovations to scale at home,” he wrote.
“Without scaling, we don’t just lose jobs—we lose our hold on new technologies. Losing the ability to scale will ultimately damage our capacity to innovate.”

 
I failed to notice where you listed people who just regularly contribute to their retirement accounts every payday

You set up your comment and other comments as though
the people who lost money because of Trump's **** ups are somehow responsible for the consequences they faced from Trump ****ing up.

I’m not saying people are responsible for Trump’s actions any more than they were responsible for the terrorists who destroyed the World Trade Center on 9/11, clobbering their investment accounts when markets reopened six days later. However, I am saying people are responsible for whatever level of risk they assume. So if they’ve assumed too much, that’s on them and no one else.
 

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