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Mark Milley fears being court-martialed if Trump wins, Woodward book says

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Nixon had his notorious "Enemies List" to dispose of but Trump has volumes of enemies to take out once he becomes dictator tyrant against America. Included among them are former SecDef and West Point grad Mark Esper and Mark Milley. Indeed, Esper and Milley talked Trump out of court martialing the retired Admiral William McRaven for his public criticisms of Trump. McRaven was the commander of US Special Operations who did the OpsPlan that killed Bin Laden in Pakistan.

By Trump's own boasting to include by the goons around him there's a very long list of names due Trump's "vengeance and retribution" as Trump says in his own words. Milley is around the top of the long list and it's suspected Mike Pence is high up there too. Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney et al. Woodward says Milley has had a "barrage of death threats" since clashing with the MAGA Orange God who is Putin's not at all silent partner.




Mark Milley, a retired US army general fears being recalled to uniform and court-martialed should Trump defeat Kamala Harris next month and return to power. “He is a walking, talking advertisement of what he’s going to try to do,” Milley recently “warned former colleagues”, the veteran Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward writes in an upcoming book. “He’s saying it and it’s not just him, it’s the people around him.” Woodward cites Steve Bannon, Trump’s former campaign chair and White House strategist now jailed for contempt of Congress, as saying of Milley: “We’re gonna hold him accountable.”
Donald Trump,Vladimir Putin<br>FILE - President Donald Trump, left, and Russian President Vladimir Putin shake hands at the beginning of a meeting at the Presidential Palace in Helsinki, Finland, July 16, 2018. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais, File)
Trump’s wish to recall and court-martial retired senior officers who criticized him in print include Mark Esper, Trump’s second secretary of defense. In Woodward’s telling, in a 2020 Oval Office meeting with Milley and Esper, Trump “yelled” and “shouted” about William McRaven, a retired admiral who led the 2011 raid in Pakistan in which US special forces killed Osama bin Laden, and Stanley McChrystal, the retired special forces general whose men killed another al-Qaida leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in Iraq in 2006. Milley was able to persuade Trump to back down, Woodward writes, but fears no such guardrails will be in place if Trump is re-elected. Woodward also describes Milley receiving “a non-stop barrage of death threats” since his retirement last year, and quotes the former general as telling him, of Trump: “No one has ever been as dangerous to this country.” Trump became enraged by pieces McRaven wrote for the Washington Post and the New York Times – writing in the Post that “there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil” – and comments McChrystal calling Trump “immoral” and “dishonest.” “As a former chairman, Milley was provided round-the-clock government security for his two final years. But he had taken additional precautions at significant personal expense, installing bullet-proof glass and blast-proof curtains at his home.”



To paraphrase Edmund Burke: "All it takes for evil to triumph is for members of the armed forces to vote third party rather than vote for Kamala Harris."
 
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My guess is that a president pissing off the military as part of a revenge strategy might not be the best idea.
 
My guess is that a president pissing off the military as part of a revenge strategy not be the best idea.

Eh? They'd still have to obey his orders absent creation of a constitutional crisis and/or military coup...
 
Eh? They'd still have to obey his orders absent creation of a constitutional crisis and/or military coup...
And there's the rub. It can't happen here, right?
 
Nixon had his notorious "Enemies List" to dispose of but Trump has volumes of enemies to take out once he becomes dictator tyrant against America. Included among them are former SecDef and West Point grad Mark Esper and Mark Milley. Indeed, Esper and Milley talked Trump out of court martialing the retired Admiral William McRaven for his public criticisms of Trump. McRaven was the commander of US Special Operations who did the OpsPlan that killed Bin Laden in Pakistan.

By Trump's own boasting account to include the goons around him there's a very long list of names due Trump's "vengeance and retribution" as Trump says in his own words. Milley is around the top of the long list and it's suspected Mike Pence is high up there too. Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney et al. Woodward says Milley has had a "barrage of death threats" since clashing with the MAGA Orange God who is Putin's not at all silent partner.




Mark Milley, a retired US army general fears being recalled to uniform and court-martialed should Trump defeat Kamala Harris next month and return to power. “He is a walking, talking advertisement of what he’s going to try to do,” Milley recently “warned former colleagues”, the veteran Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward writes in an upcoming book. “He’s saying it and it’s not just him, it’s the people around him.” Woodward cites Steve Bannon, Trump’s former campaign chair and White House strategist now jailed for contempt of Congress, as saying of Milley: “We’re gonna hold him accountable.”
Donald Trump,Vladimir Putin<br>FILE - President Donald Trump, left, and Russian President Vladimir Putin shake hands at the beginning of a meeting at the Presidential Palace in Helsinki, Finland, July 16, 2018. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais, File)
Trump’s wish to recall and court-martial retired senior officers who criticized him in print include Mark Esper, Trump’s second secretary of defense. In Woodward’s telling, in a 2020 Oval Office meeting with Milley and Esper, Trump “yelled” and “shouted” about William McRaven, a retired admiral who led the 2011 raid in Pakistan in which US special forces killed Osama bin Laden, and Stanley McChrystal, the retired special forces general whose men killed another al-Qaida leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in Iraq in 2006. Milley was able to persuade Trump to back down, Woodward writes, but fears no such guardrails will be in place if Trump is re-elected. Woodward also describes Milley receiving “a non-stop barrage of death threats” since his retirement last year, and quotes the former general as telling him, of Trump: “No one has ever been as dangerous to this country.” Trump became enraged by pieces McRaven wrote for the Washington Post and the New York Times – writing in the Post that “there is nothing left to stop the triumph of evil” – and comments McChrystal calling Trump “immoral” and “dishonest.” “As a former chairman, Milley was provided round-the-clock government security for his two final years. But he had taken additional precautions at significant personal expense, installing bullet-proof glass and blast-proof curtains at his home.”



To paraphrase Edmund Burke: "All it takes for evil to triumph is for members of the armed forces to vote third party rather than vote for Kamala Harris."

Mark Milley?
Oh please, way more than just one general.
Think "Night of the Long Knives" and multiply.
 
And there's the rub. It can't happen here, right?
One third of the DP membership roster has been singing that song since 2015.

One third of the country too.
 
One third of the DP membership roster has been singing that song since 2015.

One third of the country too.
Look at what a poster predicted on this very site :


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My guess is that a president pissing off the military as part of a revenge strategy not be the best idea.

Yet public distrust between the political and military leadership, is not good.
 
Mark Milley?
Oh please, way more than just one general.
Think "Night of the Long Knives" and multiply.
Stanley McChrystal is in the link which makes clear that while the list is long only some generals and admirals have been named in today's reports. This is my statement too, that the list is long. I've spent several years posting and quoting these guys so I know the list is long, it's just not in the OP and not in the Guardian article. It's unfortunate you've missed this.

Just to name a few there's Barry McCaffrey, James Mattis, John Kelly, Mike Mullen, H.R. McMaster for his current book, Anthony Zinni among others as these are just off the top of my head right now and I gotta run to meet some friends for dinner. I wanted to get this in before I split.

Neither am I surprised you don't know that I would know the list is long of generals and admirals. Your bolded is more than unfortunate but it's not your first time stumbling over my posts.
 
Stanley McChrystal is in the link which makes clear that while the list is long only some generals and admirals have been named in today's reports. This is my statement too, that the list is long. I've spent several years posting and quoting these guys so I know the list is long, it's just not in the OP and not in the Guardian article. It's unfortunate you've missed this.

Just to name a few there's Barry McCaffrey, James Mattis, John Kelly, Mike Mullen, H.R. McMaster for his current book, Anthony Zinni among others as these are just off the top of my head right now and I gotta run to meet some friends for dinner. I wanted to get this in before I split.

Neither am I surprised you don't know that I would know the list is long of generals and admirals. Your bolded is more than unfortunate but it's not your first time stumbling over my posts.

I didn't miss anything.
I've been catching a ration of crap SINCE Trump first took office, for daring to say he entertains over the top ideas of mass arrests of people who do not bow to him.
 
Yeah, I'd have to agree.

Maybe Russia seeks to do to the USA, what Nazi Germany did to the USSR before WWII: spread lies and disinformation that persuades the political leadership to decapitate the military leadership ?
 
I didn't miss anything.
I've been catching a ration of crap SINCE Trump first took office, for daring to say he entertains over the top ideas of mass arrests of people who do not bow to him.
Not by moi. Until now and only because of your blooper directed to me. I haven't posted with you for years. It's been bliss. No more bloopers until now.

Milley's book comes out before Nov. 5th and with time to read it. It is also a message to the armed forces which are beginning their mail balloting now. Trump is sunk with the armed forces anyway but Milley nudging it into a pileon against Trump is a great idea. The book comes out on the 15th. A lot of us across the country have been waiting for it eagerly.
 
Maybe Russia seeks to do to the USA, what Nazi Germany did to the USSR before WWII: spread lies and disinformation that persuades the political leadership to decapitate the military leadership ?
I think that political leadership might potentially run into a bit of a problem there.
 
Maybe Russia seeks to do to the USA, what Nazi Germany did to the USSR before WWII: spread lies and disinformation that persuades the political leadership to decapitate the military leadership ?
Stalin decapitated his military because he was already a dictator when he came to power and was a man without the least scruples.
 
Well trump sure has the last part covered.
I opened the door for that come back. I don't believe Trump is going to attempt a power grab but I also believe if he tried it would fail miserably.
 
I opened the door for that come back. I don't believe Trump is going to attempt a power grab but I also believe if he tried it would fail miserably.

Power grabs don't necessarily involve just becoming a dictator in a day.

Turkey, Hungary, Poland (Which did manage to be somewhat reversed but still a work in progress)... All examples of ways you can do it where it's not one minute fine and the next minute goose stepping nazis in front of the capital.

But American Conservatives like yourself have problems understanding more complex and nuanced ideas.
 
Eh? They'd still have to obey his orders absent creation of a constitutional crisis and/or military coup...
Well, if Trump becomes dictator there will be no legal order in his deck. Trump the dictator doesn't have a legal order to the armed forces in him.

There won't be a "coup" either. The US military absolutely definitely does not do coups in the homeland. No. Not. Never. Any kind of military mutiny will be civilian led, directed, commanded and controlled. A coup is when the military removes the civilian authority. A military mutiny is not necessarily against civilian authority per se. A military mutiny is against a certain elite or clique or gang of civilian authority. In a military mutiny a civilian authority supported by the military takes a temporary charge.


To Wit:

The military officer oath does not require commissioned officers to obey any order by anyone ever about anything. Yes, officers have always obeyed orders but nothing says they must. This is intentional as proscribed by General and then Potus/C'nC Washington, James Madison and the Founders. We know these wise men's greatest fear was a dictator tyrant ruler who would seize power by bamboozling the whiskered masses into supporting him. Geo. Washington and the Founders established the military as the final bulwark of democracy. So when Trump said a few months ago he would "fire the generals" the Joint Chiefs just laughed among themselves because they will tell Trump what to do with his pathetic idea. The JCS had already anticipated Trump's statement and were long prepared to reject it before Trump ever said it. So yeah, stay tuned because Trump has no generals and admirals in the armed forces -- none.

A major long term factor is the Uniform Code of Military Justice under Title 10 of the United States Code of Laws that govern the military. The UCMJ requires each member of the armed forces to immediately refuse and report immediately any order from anyone that is illegal, immoral, unConstitutional (and antiConstitutional). There is nothing new, drastic, radical or insubordinate in this. And as I noted, the dictator Trump doesn't have a legal order to the military in him.
 
Worse than that.

I doubt an anti-Trump coup would happen.

But if the wrong people are in the right places, a pro-Trump coup could.
You are wrong. And there will be no "coup."

There are no "wrong people." There is only your wrong post.

Trump found out on J6 he has no one in the Pentagon to support him, to obey him, to join with him.

There are no Trump generals and admirals in the Pentagon.
 
Not by moi. Until now and only because of your blooper directed to me. I haven't posted with you for years. It's been bliss. No more bloopers until now.

Milley's book comes out before Nov. 5th and with time to read it. It is also a message to the armed forces which are beginning their mail balloting now. Trump is sunk with the armed forces anyway but Milley nudging it into a pileon against Trump is a great idea. The book comes out on the 15th. A lot of us across the country have been waiting for it eagerly.

What blooper directed toward you?
 
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