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Marines will deploy to LA protests this week after crowd control training

Rogue Valley said:
When I served, president's didn't send in federal troops for law enfiorcement duty.

By law, Trump should have requested permission from California Governor Gavin Newsome. The fat wannabe dictator didn't do that.
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That is incorrect, as the Segregationists could tell you.
 
W_Heisenberg said:

The 700 Marines sent to the Los Angeles area following days of protests have completed their training and will be join other troops within 48 hours of Wednesday, U.S. Northern Command said. They "have accompanied ICE on missions, but they are not a part of the operations," per NORTHCOM. "They protect; they don't participate," the statement emphasized.

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if active-duty Marines start pushing crowds around in Los Angeles without the President first invoking the Insurrection Act, they would be violating the Posse Comitatus Act and the Defense Department’s own regulations.

Title 10 U.S.C. § 275 tells the Secretary of Defense to ensure that no soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine takes part in “a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity” unless a law makes an exception.


DoD Instruction 3025.21 says “employment of federal military forces to control civil disturbances shall only occur … as authorized by the President” through an order such as an Insurrection Act proclamation. Crowd-control duty is explicitly treated as a civil-disturbance mission.


The Insurrection Act -- 10 U.S.C. §§ 251-255 -- lets the President use the regular armed forces to restore order when a state is unwilling or unable to enforce the law, or when rights are obstructed.

No proclamation = no authority.

So far Trump has only invoked 12406, which authorizes the federalization of the Guard in case of a rebellion, which of course, does not exist.

www.justsecurity.org

Trump’s Memorandum Authorizing Military Domestic Deployment

"The Memorandum ... raises many of the same concerns as an Insurrection Act invocation would, and that could end up looking quite similar in practice."
www.justsecurity.org www.justsecurity.org

www.brennancenter.org

The Insurrection Act Explained

The law, which lets the president deploy the military domestically and use it for civilian law enforcement, is dangerously vague and in urgent need of reform.
www.brennancenter.org www.brennancenter.org

Marines may stand post on a federal installation and use force in self-defense; that is force protection, not law enforcement. But the moment they push back demonstrators, form a riot line, fire tear gas, or detain people, they have crossed into law-enforcement territory:

www.brennancenter.org

The Posse Comitatus Act Explained

The law generally prevents the president from using the military as a domestic police force.
www.brennancenter.org www.brennancenter.org


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We are already in unlawful territory, and we are quickly headed into dangerous territory here.

The bottom line is that Trump and his supporters are a bunch of authoritarian, anti-American thugs who hate the Constitution. These thugs will keep pushing things until the rest of us push back.
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They’ll have live ammo and are “authorized” to detain US citizens.

Trump’s illegal, unconstitutional reign of terror gets the stamp of approval from his cult, and no one else.

The world looks on in horror.
 
CaughtInThe said:
This is what happens when you have an Republican base and almost all Republican politicians who are okay with a president being lawless/being a King.

Well, except if it were Obama or Biden. Then they would be talking about the second amendment.
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I know, right? Imagine what it's gonna be like if they start arresting pastors for holding worship services!
 
Absentglare said:
They’ll have live ammo and are “authorized” to detain US citizens.
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If they are assaulted they have the authority to turn those people over to law enforcement, who can actually do the law enforcing and arrest them.

Absentglare said:
Trump’s illegal, unconstitutional reign of terror gets the stamp of approval from his cult, and no one else.
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His tossing aside of Due Process when deporting illegals was unconstitutional and illegal.

This deployment - at least so far - is not.

Absentglare said:
The world looks on in horror.
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.....eh.
 
Absentglare said:
They’ll have live ammo and are “authorized” to detain US citizens.

Trump’s illegal, unconstitutional reign of terror gets the stamp of approval from his cult, and no one else.

The world looks on in horror.
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Yes, it’s so outrageous I’m sure you thought about springing from your computer chair in a shower of empty mountain dew bottles to save us all from the fascisms for at least five seconds.
 
Napoleon said:
The simple solution for the numbskulls is don’t put your hands on the Marines because crying that you don’t think they can legally respond won’t stop them from throttling you two ways to Sunday.
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You think they're going to disobey orders and violate numerous sections of the UCMJ?

You appear to have a very low opinion of Marines.
 
Taylor said:
I don't see the NG there. What's the relevance?
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The NG are all hanging out in front of Federal buildings (buildings not being threatened in any way) surfing on their phones.
 
Political theater.

Taco's doing everything he possibly can to freak people out and make these protests into a continuous free-for-all so he can get plenty of shots of terrible things going on in L.A. The narrative is, L.A. is burning to the ground...etc.

He has some weird agenda here. He just can't cow Newsom, who, unlike Taco, actually has balls, and I'm pretty sure this is how he's attempting to do that.
 
Napoleon said:
Yes, it’s so outrageous I’m sure you thought about springing from your computer chair in a shower of empty mountain dew bottles to save us all from the fascisms for at least five seconds.
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It sounds like you know I’m right.
 
Not to mention curfews. They're trying to walk a line between "Its not our fault" and "OMG autThoritARianisSm"

Napoleon said:
Also Chief Jim McDonnell: “We are overwhelmed.”
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cpwill said:
If they are assaulted they have the authority to turn those people over to law enforcement, who can actually do the law enforcing and arrest them.
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I think there is a lot of value they can add as an adjunct to police. That includes 'standing around' activities, like directing people at roadblocks or guarding the perimeter of public buildings, setting up aid stations, etc. This helps to free up officers to conduct arrests, run patrols, and talk to protesters.

Plus they have additional resources that can help, including transportation, roadblocks, radios, drones, etc.
 
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