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The leader of the French far right-wing Front National (FN) party has said that she would welcome collaboration with UKIP with "open arms".Marine Le Pen told BBC Newsnight ideas UKIP leader Nigel Farage defends are "very similar" to those of her party.
In a statement, UKIP said it was "not interested in any deal" with Ms Le Pen or her party because of "prejudice and anti-Semitism in particular" in the FN. Link
Marine and Nigel also seem to share an open admiration for Putin so is it just a question of time for UKIP to join a coalition with Front Nationale or is Farage running petrified with being seen as linked to the French version of the National Front / BNP?
They're both horrid people -- So what I am hoping is that all sensible people punish these morons for their open admiration of a man who clearly has no considerations for what France and the UK stand for. Human rights and rule of law.
Marine and Nigel also seem to share an open admiration for Putin so is it just a question of time for UKIP to join a coalition with Front Nationale or is Farage running petrified with being seen as linked to the French version of the National Front / BNP?
I really don't think that Farage likes racists. Like Lucke in Germany all he wants is a rational approach to the EU, which would be devastating for Eu- and Europhiles.
I understand why the EU lobbyists want to insinuate he is one, but that is just the way Eurocrats and their acolytes have to win elections now that it has become obvious that their only arguments are populist and the damage they have brought down on the European populations is so large it can no longer be hidden from view.
"Rational" that very much depends on what side of the fence you sit
Paul
I really don't think that Farage likes racists.
Like Lucke in Germany all he wants is a rational approach to the EU, which would be devastating for Eu- and Europhiles.
I understand why the EU lobbyists want to insinuate he is one, but that is just the way Eurocrats and their acolytes have to win elections now that it has become obvious that their only arguments are populist and the damage they have brought down on the European populations is so large it can no longer be hidden from view.
Maybe but he loves having them around in his party.
No, he wants power. He could care less about the EU as long as they give him money and he can gain more and more political power in the UK.
You dont have to insinuate it lol! UKIP is part of the EDF group in Europe, a group which houses the far right racist anti-semtic groups. ... he is actually the LEADER of this group. A person is defined by the company he/she keeps.. when some of his best friends are the Northern League and other far right racist xenophobic parties across Europe.. then well. But then again the Front National Parliament members are without group because they are so disgusting that no one wants them to be members, and that could be why they are sucking up to UKIP... so to be able to join their fellow racists in EDF
So you say. But as I pointed out, you would say so. There is no argument that justifies voting for the other parties after the total mess their dishonest and deceitful actions willfully caused.
For many in the populations they had sworn to protect, the behavior of these politicians was existentially devastating to the point in very, very many cases of painful death. I find it somewhat astounding, that anyone with easy access to internationally available information and who is interested in politics can in any way side with that type of people and their despicable behavior, if they were not brainwashed or belong to that socioeconomic group. Do you not understand, those people belong in jail?
Again... what dishonest and deceitful actions?
What laws have they broken?
No, he wants power. He could care less about the EU as long as they give him money and he can gain more and more political power in the UK.
You mean like Junkers and Schultz?
But to tell you the truth, I would think that in the case of almost every politician there is a combination of wanting to get your policies done and wanting to live at the same time. If you don't like that you will have to look for persons of private means. But do you really want to exclude everyone else? Or did you just say that because you had no other arguments but mud available?
Maybe you did not understand, what I wrote. Both of your questions were answered.
In any event, if you do not think that knowingly doing persons you have sworn to protect existential harm is a crime, that makes it rather improbable that you want to see it that way.
We could look at individual incidence like the ESM,
not checking the Greek books,
the seedy interpretation of the EU Constitution as a non-constitution
or the breech of the Maastricht Treaty.
There is a huge difference. Junkers and Schultz achieved power in established parties. Farage could not hack it in those parties so he started his own and built it up around malcontent, racists, anti-Semitic, homophobes, xenophobes and sexist pigs.
They did check the books, but the procedures put in place were not comprehensive enough to expose the lies of the Greek government and American banks.
You didn't see the interview with Issing of the Bundesbank, where he says that they knew that the Greek numbers were wrong and told the Commission and the German Ministries but did not do the due diligence, because it was politically inopportune? If you didn't see it, you might want to look for it.
As to the rest of the stuff you wrote? I think it would be a waste of time to write a reply, where you actually ask where the Treaty of Maastricht was broken. I cannot credit you don't know that.
There you are again flinging mud, or trying to at least. But it was the established parties that willfully brought the catastrophe down on the European populous. It was good that he got out and started a counter movement.
Yes he made the accusation but never backed it up with any documentation. And we know why the fraud was not picked up on, and it was a lax control system which was in large parts championed by the Bundesbank!
I am asking because I have never heard this accusation outside the far right fanatics and they have never provided any proof what so ever.
But regardless, as long as the countries involved in a treaty of any kind agree to a change or "breach" then it does not really matter does it? The only time you can claim any treaty is broken is if one of the parties unilaterally breaks the treaty without consent of the other treaty underwriters... that is a breach.
You claim that it is the established parties that are at fault... and have yet to provide a shred of evidence of what fault. Is it that they entered the EU/EEC in the first place? Is that they agreed on our behalf to changes to improve the common market? Is it the ESM or Euro that pisses you off? What is it!? That you were not allowed to directly vote for very complicated things in a national referendum? Is that what you are pissed about?
And there is no mud, but fact. People like Farage cant cut it in established parties because their views are so extreme that no one wants to touch them with a 10 foot pole. There is a reason that people like Glistrup in Denmark started his own party after being a member of the Conservatives for years... he could not cut it, broke the law (tax evasion) and was pissed at the establishment that it resulted in his own party of freaks. Farage is no different, nor Le Pen or any of the other fringe right wing (or left wing) parties out there.
Now I understand fully that parties like UKIP and people like Farage are the result of a discontent with the traditional parties and the economic/social times. But that is exactly why we have to be on our guard for people like Farage and UKIP, so that we dont fall into the same trap as we did the last time we were in this situation back in the 1930s.
If you really have not heard the case for the Treaty of Maastricht having been broken except by "accusations" by "far right fanatics", you cannot really have much of interest to say about the EU. Why don't you just google "treaty of maastricht broken" for instance? Why I don't believe Germany acted by the rules more than possibly once prior to 2008. But I doubt you are interested.
And no! it is absolutely abominable to say that it is okay for countries to break treaties that have legal status in the countries. That is about the most basic demand of the Rule of Law.
And again I ask you to provide proof and you tell me to google it? Guess what I did, and found nothing about "breaking the treaty".
Do you know what the Maastricht Treaty is about and what it says?
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