Marijuana devastated Colorado, don’t legalize it nationally (OP-ED)

[Grokmaster]

I was surprised at how much lower than Vegas prices, but there were pot shops EVERYWHERE! In a little town I drove thru - barely large enough to call a town, there were FIVE pot shops all right next to each other. One shop seems so desperate for a sale that when it was clear I wasn't buying, offered me "shake" at 50% off - and it wasn't shake.

I suspect when you get to independents, some of them are sneaking in their own grown pot off-the-books as that then is near pure profit, particularly if they don't ring up the sale.

Yep...the Black Market.

 

[Grokmaster]

Good movie and play.

"Feeeeeed me!!"

 

[Lursa]

I was surprised at how much lower than Vegas prices, but there were pot shops EVERYWHERE! In a little town I drove thru - barely large enough to call a town, there were FIVE pot shops all right next to each other. One shop seems so desperate for a sale that when it was clear I wasn't buying, offered me "shake" at 50% off - and it wasn't shake.

I suspect when you get to independents, some of them are sneaking in their own grown pot off-the-books as that then is near pure profit, particularly if they don't ring up the sale.

Some towns have pot shops, some have none...communities decide for themselves.

 

[WillyPete]

Exactly, It will not be TRULY "LEGAL" until anyone who wants to ,, can grow their own, which should drive prices down, and eliminate the out of state taxation too.

So talk to your boy Trump. He "understands" business, and the economic argument is pretty simple.

He could functionally have it legal by the end of the week by re-prioritizing enforcement to nothing, and it's one of the few topics a lot of young people would change aisles over.

 

[Lursa]

So talk to your boy Trump. He "understands" business, and the economic argument is pretty simple.

He could functionally have it legal by the end of the week by re-prioritizing enforcement to nothing, and it's one of the few topics a lot of young people would change aisles over.

too many in his voting/fan base that are still living in past decades and believe pot is 'bad'.

 

[joko104]

It's working out very well here in WA St.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...n-has-affected-washington-youth/281-505046352

Fewer Washington adolescents are using marijuana since recreational pot sales began in 2014, according to federal survey data.



https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...were-in-the-money_us_597e734be4b09982b73765db


There are loads of articles out there and the positive aspects are much higher than the downsides.

I wonder if making it legal took away the "forbidden fruit" desirability, making liquor more sought after by kids/underage? I do think alcohol is far more health destructive, particularly if a person isn't smoking the pot but rather vaping or eating it. Alcohol does tear up the body over time - and a person can lethally OD on alcohol - either directly or indirectly by passing out in freezing weather. We know someone up in Wisconsin who died passing out during the winter being so drunk. Literally froze to death. I've never heard of anyone passing out from marijuana.

 

[joko104]

Being stoned absolutely affects most peoples' reactions and awareness.

No doubt about it. BUT I think a stoned driver (unless wax or the true killer stuff) is safer than a drunk driver.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Cheech...is that you !!?? :mrgreen:

My brother was here from San Antonio in June....they dont have legal so he does illegal.....not a lot but some over decades.....One toke put him on the ground.....he could not walk.

He was impressed.

 

[AGENT J]

What meltdowns? Pro or con legal pot?

Some of the meltdowns that are going on in this thread lol

 

[Grokmaster]

So talk to your boy Trump. He "understands" business, and the economic argument is pretty simple.

He could functionally have it legal by the end of the week by re-prioritizing enforcement to nothing, and it's one of the few topics a lot of young people would change aisles over.

Bullcrap. He ENFORCES THE LAWS THAT ARE, unlike "your boy Obama".

Congress alone can change the Federal law.

 

[joko104]

I have a green house. With a little koi pond. My lemon cucumbers grow up and over everything in there.

Then you'll all set.

I would think that pot grown in WA would be weaker for lesser light unless supplemental light added. But it wouldn't really matter since it would just mean using a bit more.

The good thing about growing it yourself would be you 100% KNOW it is pure, no pesticides were used on it, etc. 100% natural and pure. Again, the problem around here is that pure marijuana is almost impossible to find except for the few who do grow it themselves. The dealer stuff is nearly all laced with meth or something else. They used to put a dot with a marking pen to indicate what is in it, but most don't anymore. This, of course, leads some people to become meth heads and that is an entirely different ballgame, for which the meth consumes their life - and body - fast.

 

[Grokmaster]

No doubt about it. BUT I think a stoned driver (unless wax or the true killer stuff) is safer than a drunk driver.

I've witnessed contrary proof on either side of that. The difference between alcohol and liquor, is that you can drink a couple beers, and NOT BE DRUNK...any amount of pot will , typically get you stoned...much easier to "regulate your buzz" w/ alcohol.

 

[WillyPete]

I was surprised at how much lower than Vegas prices, but there were pot shops EVERYWHERE! In a little town I drove thru - barely large enough to call a town, there were FIVE pot shops all right next to each other. One shop seems so desperate for a sale that when it was clear I wasn't buying, offered me "shake" at 50% off - and it wasn't shake.

I suspect when you get to independents, some of them are sneaking in their own grown pot off-the-books as that then is near pure profit, particularly if they don't ring up the sale.

I don't know about CO or NV, but half-smart CA guarantee'd booming underground market with their greedy regs, to the point that 90%+ of pot shops in CA have no license at all.

A year after the law changed, I believe there was a single licensed shop in LA county. Meanwhile, there are at least a dozen shops (they change names and addresses regularly) in my neighborhood, and you're stuck waiting in line half the time.

Not nearly enough enforcement money for police to bother. It's got to be cutting into the state's take.

 

[OlNate]

Legalize it and impose very harsh penalties for anyone giving it to minors or driving under the influence. When compared to alcohol there is zero 0 zilch nada reason why marijuana should be recreationally illegal.

The Canadian model, in a nutshell.

 

[joko104]

Bullcrap. He ENFORCES THE LAWS THAT ARE, unlike "your boy Obama".

Congress alone can change the Federal law.

The Federal government should only be concerned with the importation of marijuana. Otherwise each state should decide.

 

[Lursa]

I don't know about CO or NV, but half-smart CA guarantee'd booming underground market with their greedy regs, to the point that 90%+ of pot shops in CA have no license at all.

A year after the law changed, I believe there was a single licensed shop in LA county. Meanwhile, there are at least a dozen shops (they change names and addresses regularly) in my neighborhood, and you're stuck waiting in line half the time.

Not nearly enough enforcement money for police to bother. It's got to be cutting into the state's take.

Is recreational pot legal now in CA?

 

[Grokmaster]

I wonder if making it legal took away the "forbidden fruit" desirability, making liquor more sought after by kids/underage? I do think alcohol is far more health destructive, particularly if a person isn't smoking the pot but rather vaping or eating it. Alcohol does tear up the body over time - and a person can lethally OD on alcohol - either directly or indirectly by passing out in freezing weather. We know someone up in Wisconsin who died passing out during the winter being so drunk. Literally froze to death. I've never heard of anyone passing out from marijuana.

That's the point I was opining towards...as far as the "cachet" I referred to.

Moderate alcohol also has medicinal properties.

Excessive pot use has negative effects, also.

But as long as it is YOU that you are harming, it's your business, to me.

 

[joko104]

I've witnessed contrary proof on either side of that. The difference between alcohol and liquor, is that you can drink a couple beers, and NOT BE DRUNK...any amount of pot will , typically get you stoned...much easier toc"regulate" w/ alcohol.

Only the truly potent stuff - plus a person winds down on pot just like a person does on alcohol. I think the real difference is a lot of people who have a drink, glass of wine or a couple of beers are really trying to get drunk. It is likely rare that a person does not smoke pot to not get stoned, but I've been told otherwise - particularly if there is a medical implication such as an appetite problem. Also, "pot heads" - true pot heads - like true alcoholics - will need some to avoid the shakes or withdrawl, even if just psychological.

However, more than one person including seemingly knowledgeable has explained that there are "happy" drunks and "mean" drunks. Mean drunks are road ragers. I've never known anyone who was high to get super mean spirited if not also drinking. It biggest difference is people can drink to the point of involuntarily just passing out - and that not rare - plus not remembering where they were or what the did. I've never heard that happening to a pothead. But I'm no expert.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I was surprised at how much lower than Vegas prices, but there were pot shops EVERYWHERE! In a little town I drove thru - barely large enough to call a town, there were FIVE pot shops all right next to each other. One shop seems so desperate for a sale that when it was clear I wasn't buying, offered me "shake" at 50% off - and it wasn't shake.

I suspect when you get to independents, some of them are sneaking in their own grown pot off-the-books as that then is near pure profit, particularly if they don't ring up the sale.

The prices are not sustainable in my opinion, though some experts dont agree.

 

[joko104]

too many in his voting/fan base that are still living in past decades and believe pot is 'bad'.

True, it is still a "drug." Generally, except for medical reasons (or positive psychological reasons), it is hard to make a case that pot is "good." It tends to make people lazy and does affect judgment and motor skills. Instead, I see it as a comparison to alcohol - and that it is far superior to alcohol as a recreational drug, which alcohol also is.

 

[Grokmaster]

Only the truly potent stuff - plus a person winds down on pot just like a person does on alcohol. I think the real difference is a lot of people who have a drink, glass of wine or a couple of beers are really trying to get drunk. It is likely rare that a person does not smoke pot to not get stoned, but I've been told otherwise - particularly if there is a medical implication such as an appetite problem. Also, "pot heads" - true pot heads - like true alcoholics - will need some to avoid the shakes or withdrawl, even if just psychological.

However, more than one person including seemingly knowledgeable has explained that there are "happy" drunks and "mean" drunks. Mean drunks are road ragers. I've never known anyone who was high to get super mean spirited if not also drinking. It biggest difference is people can drink to the point of involuntarily just passing out - and that not rare - plus not remembering where they were or what the did. I've never heard that happening to a pothead. But I'm no expert.

I beg to differ...these guys are ALL DAILY POT USERS, and thay have been know to act violently: ( you ARE how you ARE.)

 

[Hawkeye10]

Maybe they just don't "do sex" with you because of your dirty, exciting living.

I am not interested in any woman under 30, mid 40's and up is the sweet spot. I need stable women who know what they want and are willing to ask for it and who wont at a later date regret me into a sexual assault charge.

So No.

 

[joko104]

So talk to your boy Trump. He "understands" business, and the economic argument is pretty simple.

He could functionally have it legal by the end of the week by re-prioritizing enforcement to nothing, and it's one of the few topics a lot of young people would change aisles over.

I do not see Trump relenting on this - though I COULD see him declaring it a "state's right" thing if polling shows massive support for legalization in key states. Trump is too big on declaring he's never had even 1 alcoholic drink (don't believe it) and certainly no illegal drug.

 

[Grokmaster]

I don't know about CO or NV, but half-smart CA guarantee'd booming underground market with their greedy regs, to the point that 90%+ of pot shops in CA have no license at all.

A year after the law changed, I believe there was a single licensed shop in LA county. Meanwhile, there are at least a dozen shops (they change names and addresses regularly) in my neighborhood, and you're stuck waiting in line half the time.

Not nearly enough enforcement money for police to bother. It's got to be cutting into the state's take.

Great take....

 

[joko104]

I beg to differ...these guys are ALL DAILY POT USERS, and thay have been know to act violently: ( you ARE how you ARE.)


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Eh, that message proves nothing, doesn't it? I read that Hitler was a vegetarian. And that proves?

I'm not claiming marijuana makes a person a Tibetan Monk pacifist. Just contrasting what I've been told by many is a common difference. I DO know about "red eyed mean drunks." Crazy dangerous men (and women). They literally are out of their minds.