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LetsGoBrandon said:
Ahh..the ole it's only a human life when it pops out the birth conal and gets slapped on the butt by the doctor argument.
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No argument at all. At that point, it's a baby. Not before. You seem confused on that point.
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
Ahh..the ole it's only a human life when it pops out the birth conal and gets slapped on the butt by the doctor argument.
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Goes hand in hand with how much zealots care about life - as long as it is INSIDE the womb.

Once born, they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and have some personal responsibility right? 🙄
 
BirdinHand said:
Goes hand in hand with how much zealots care about life - as long as it is INSIDE the womb.

Once born, they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and have some personal responsibility right? 🙄
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Too much projection in that to take it as anything more then a rant.
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
So it's only a life when it comes out of the birth canal? Dumb claim.
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No, it's a baby (newborn). You're the one who used the term "baby" to begin with. Maybe you should study proper terminology and when it applies.
 
Gordy327 said:
No, it's a baby (newborn). You're the one who used the term "baby" to begin with. Maybe you should study proper terminology and when it applies.
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So it's not a baby secons minutes, hours, days before it pops out the birth canal?
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
That's nuts. Has anyone explained to you that the only thing that quickly changes after birth is that the baby gets to breath air rather then amniotic fluid?
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I am familiar with embryology. Before birth, it's a fetus. At birth, it's a newborn. That's science.
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
That's nuts. Has anyone explained to you that the only thing that quickly changes after birth is that the baby gets to breath air rather then amniotic fluid?
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You mean other than no longer being inside another human being sharing oxygen, blood, nutrients, relying on the woman’s organs to support it 100% completely?
 
BirdinHand said:
You mean other than no longer being inside another human being sharing oxygen, blood, nutrients, relying on the woman’s organs to support it 100% completely?
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Physically, the only immediate difference is breathing oxygen and it's much more roomier on the outside. It's still a baby just before birth.
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
Physically, the only immediate difference is breathing oxygen and it's much more roomier on the outside. It's still a baby just before birth.
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No. You are wrong.

There are other differences that take place with birth - including valves and circulatory system changes.

You really should learn more before making such incorrect declaratory statements.
 
maquiscat said:
It happens. It's not common, but common enough that medical professionals know how to handle such pregnancies. And yes, the people who get abortions after going through IVF would be few, just as the ones who remain pregnant and then get a third trimester abortions would be rare. More often than not those abortions are because of a threat to the woman's life.
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More often, not always.
 
LetsGoBrandon said:
I deal in realities. It's a human life well before it pops out the birth canal.
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Well, considering that a fetus doesn’t just “pop out” I’d say you’re dealing with fiction, not reality.

And considering that you state the only changes are more room and breathing, I’d say your actual knowledge of the subject is lacking.
 
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BirdinHand said:
You’d need so many more hospitals for that to even be feasible.

Then we can begin to discuss the cost.

My son was 33 weeks and never needed any major medical interventions - thanks to excellent prenatal care including several rounds of steroids for his lung development in utero. He was simply tiny (2lbs,15oz) and his NICU bill was well over $1M.

The “pro-life” zealots don’t even want to pay for food stamps. You think they want to pay for NICUs and multimillion medical bills? LOL.
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Anti-choicers always say it is not their responsibility to pay for neonatal intensive care despite being the same people who want to force thousands of very early premature births every year.

I am all for requiring premature births under two conditions:
  1. Saving the mother's life
  2. Completely normal baby
Unless the obstetrician knows that fetus will live a normal life following hospital discharge if born now, an expecting mother must be allowed to choose between premature birth and abortion.
 
BirdinHand said:
Well, considering that a fetus doesn’t just “pop out” I’d say you’re dealing with fiction, not reality.

And considering that you state the only changes are more room and breathing, I’d say your actual knowledge of the subject is lacking.
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He knows absolutely nothing about the subject only because he does not want to learn it.

I also am positive he is lying for the sake of trolling because graduating from high school without knowing female reproductive system anatomy, pregnancy symptoms, embryonic and fetal development, and how babies are born is literally impossible.
 
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Patriotic Voter said:
Anti-choicers always say it is not their responsibility to pay for neonatal intensive care despite being the same people who want to force thousands of very early premature births every year.

I am all for requiring premature births under two conditions:
  1. Saving the mother's life
  2. Completely normal baby
Unless the obstetrician knows that fetus will live a normal life following hospital discharge if born now, an expecting mother must be allowed to choose between premature birth and abortion.
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And then we can get into how many women that are being forced to carry pregnancies they don’t want who will

* not get prenatal care
* not eat well/make sure they are getting the right nutrition
* not take appropriate prenatal vitamins
* consume drugs/alcohol/tobacco while pregnant

All of which is likely to lead to the babies they are being forced to carry/birth requiring neonatal care and/or being born with major medical issues

Zealots don’t tend to put much actual thought into their arguments.
 
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Patriotic Voter said:
He knows absolutely nothing about the subject only because he does not want to learn it.

I also am positive he is lying for the sake of trolling because graduating from high school without knowing female reproductive system anatomy, pregnancy symptoms, embryonic and fetal development, and how babies are born is literally impossible.
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I don't know. I've encountered more than a few people (men in particular) who are woefully ignorant about it all, and worse who choose to remain so, as any education in such matters is regarded as liberal indoctrination.
 
BirdinHand said:
Whether or not a very premature infant lives for 24 hours after birth is highly contingent on the level of NICU they are born at.

If the mother gives birth at a hospital without a level 3 or 4 NICU, very premature babies will likely die. Lower level NICUs are not capable of the advanced medical care necessary and such fragile infants do not transport well to get to a higher level NICU.

At 21 weeks, the SKIN on an infant isn’t even skin as you think of it. Their lungs are nowhere near developed, and the equipment needed to save their lives isn’t readily available.

Also coming into play is the size of the infant. Size plays just as important a role as gestational age. You can have a 23 or 24 fetus that is 8oz and it is a miracle when they survive. Fetuses do not grow at a uniform rate.

Additionally, sex and race plays a role in which babies will have the best NICU outcomes. The NICU babies that have the worst outcomes are white males. Google “wimpy white boy” syndrome.





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Agreed. The lung development is at present crucial, because we do not have artificial wombs available for this use, only incubators, which require the newborn to breathe air. Short of this development, we have no way to keep the very premature alive.
 
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