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[Patriotic Voter]

That's not just us talking either. It's science.

And the law.

 

[quip]

If your only concern is what is legal, you have a very cold heart. I deal in realities.

You need to be objective when reviewing the abortion scenario, the law is one way to do that.
By contrast, your one-sided view rest strictly upon emotional sentimentalism, an appeal which projects the shock of killing of a cuddling, mewling baby - even at conception - which is ridiculous at face value, while further relying upon the rare (and out of context) late-term abortion for maximum shock-value.

 

[Gordy327]

You need to be objective when reviewing the abortion scenario, the law is one way to do that.
By contrast, your one-sided view rest strictly upon emotional sentimentalism, an appeal which projects the shock of killing of a cuddling, mewling baby - even at conception - which is ridiculous at face value, while further relying upon the rare (and out of context) late-term abortion for maximum shock-value.

As we have seen, many if not most people seem to get overly emotional and irrational when it comes to abortion. They cannot argue the point without inserting emotion or becoming disingenuous about it.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

As we have seen, many if not most people seem to get overly emotional and irrational when it comes to abortion. They cannot argue the point without inserting emotion or becoming disingenuous about it.

The people who do that are anti-choicers and extremists on both ends. I try my best to be rational despite never keeping my emotions in check.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Facts = A human baby is still a human baby before exiting the birth canal.

FACT "baby" is a term of endearment. It is a fetus until born.

 

[Gordy327]

The people who do that are anti-choicers and extremists on both ends. I try my best to be rational despite never keeping my emotions in check.

The extreme ends for sure. But notice how pro-lifers do tend to veer to emotional arguments or appeals more frequently. You can tell whenever they say "abortion is murder" or "killing a baby," or something along those lines.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

The extreme ends for sure. But notice how pro-lifers do tend to veer to emotional arguments or appeals more frequently. You can tell whenever they say "abortion is murder" or "killing a baby," or something along those lines.

On Christian Forums, I got a warning for insisting on using the terms zygote, blastocyst, embryo, and fetus for all unborn humans at those stages of child development. That did not stop me from continuing to define a "baby" as a person from birth to one year old. I will never stop telling anti-choicers there is no such thing as an unborn baby. As you have probably noticed by now, I refuse to call anyone who opposes most or all abortions a pro-lifer because except for Josie, they all stop caring about the baby's life after the umbilical cord is cut.

 

[CaughtInThe]

wow

 

[multivita-man]

Known basic fact. The baby dies. Anything else?

Yeah, so what? Were you planning to throw the mother a baby shower?

 

[multivita-man]

wow



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This is a good illustration of why some things shouldn't be up to a vote. People shouldn't vote on issues they're not well informed about.

 

[Bodi]

Goes hand in hand with how much zealots care about life - as long as it is INSIDE the womb.

Once born, they need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and have some personal responsibility right?

And be trained in how to use weapons...

 

[Bodi]

That is correct. It's a fetus.

That's nuts. Has anyone explained to you that the only thing that quickly changes after birth is that the baby gets to breath air rather then amniotic fluid?

You mean other than no longer being inside another human being sharing oxygen, blood, nutrients, relying on the woman’s organs to support it 100% completely?

I never understood this debate. Is it a fetus or a baby. Of course it is a baby... but who cares? It is still in the mother and she can still make choices.

Is My Unborn Child a Fetus or a Baby?

Are you wondering whether you should call your child a baby or a fetus? Understand the medical terms as well as how a fetus develops.

optionsforwomenrf.com

Synonyms of child
3a: an unborn or recently born person

Definition of CHILD

a young person especially between infancy and puberty; a person not yet of the age of majority; a childlike or childish person… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

If she wants to abort her fetus or child or baby... it does not matter what it is called. It is not a person. That is all that matters. She can abort it.

 

[Gordy327]

I never understood this debate. Is it a fetus or a baby. Of course it is a baby... but who cares? It is still in the mother and she can still make choices.

Is My Unborn Child a Fetus or a Baby?

Are you wondering whether you should call your child a baby or a fetus? Understand the medical terms as well as how a fetus develops.

optionsforwomenrf.com

Synonyms of child
3a: an unborn or recently born person

Definition of CHILD

a young person especially between infancy and puberty; a person not yet of the age of majority; a childlike or childish person… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

If she wants to abort her fetus or child or baby... it does not matter what it is called. It is not a person. That is all that matters. She can abort it.

It's a fetus pre birth. That's a scientific fact. "Baby" is just a generic and umbrella term to include newborns, infants, and toddlers, as well as possibly being used to evoke an emotional response.

 

[Gordy327]

On Christian Forums, I got a warning for insisting on using the terms zygote, blastocyst, embryo, and fetus for all unborn humans at those stages of child development. That did not stop me from continuing to define a "baby" as a person from birth to one year old.

Good for you. You are using correct terminology when applicable. I do not see how that can be an issue or why some would make it one, outside of emotional sensitivity perhaps.

I will never stop telling anti-choicers there is no such thing as an unborn baby.

Neither will I. "Unborn baby" is an oxymoron.

As you have probably noticed by now, I refuse to call anyone who opposes most or all abortions a pro-lifer because except for Josie, they all stop caring about the baby's life after the umbilical cord is cut.

Indeed. Such individuals are more akin to anti-choicers.

 

[911Sparky]

4/4 here as well.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Good for you. You are using correct terminology when applicable. I do not see how that can be an issue or why some would make it one, outside of emotional sensitivity perhaps.

They say it "dehumanizes the baby." It is true that those four words are not specific to humans, but you can say the same thing about middle ear bones, mammary glands, hair, and diaphragms. "All life is sacred" obviously includes all other mammals.

 

[Bodi]

It's a fetus pre birth. That's a scientific fact.

I never said a fetus was post-birth so all you are doing is misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said.

"Baby" is just a generic and umbrella term to include newborns, infants, and toddlers,

...and unborn children in the fetus stage

Child: "an individual under the age of 19 including the period from conception to birth."

Definition of “Child”

www.texmed.org

baby​

(bā′bē)
n. pl. ba·bies
a. A very young child; an infant.
b. An unborn child; a fetus.
c. The youngest member of a family or group.
d. A very young animal.

babies

Definition of babies in the Medical Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

as well as possibly being used to evoke an emotional response.

Irrelevant.

 

[Bodi]

They say it "dehumanizes the baby." It is true that those four words are not specific to humans, but you can say the same thing about middle ear bones, mammary glands, hair, and diaphragms. "All life is sacred" obviously includes all other mammals.

All life is sacred is like Black Lives Matters... people take it out of context in order to try and score some points.

All Lives Matter is understood in BLM and All Life is Sacred means human life or life of more sentient animals.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

It's a fetus pre-birth. That's a scientific fact. "Baby" is just a generic and umbrella term to include newborns, infants, and toddlers, as well as possibly being used to evoke an emotional response.

Correction: It is a fetus from eight weeks after conception until birth.

The word "baby" has a very strict definition that automatically rules out all unborn humans. Until every cell of the body is out, the fetus is not a baby.

 

[Gordy327]

Correction: It is a fetus from eight weeks after conception until birth.

Yes, I was making that implication. I will try to be more specific in the future.

The word "baby" has a very strict definition that automatically rules out all unborn humans. Until every cell of the body is out, the fetus is not a baby.

It's funny how some people do not understand that very simple fact.

 

[Lovebug]

Aced it. So what?

 

[Gordy327]

I never said a fetus was post-birth so all you are doing is misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said.

You seemed confused about it, with this statement [emphasis mine], " Is it a fetus or a baby. Of course it is a baby... but who cares? It is still in the mother and she can still make choices. If it's still in the womb, it is not yet a baby.

...and unborn children in the fetus stage

Ergo, not a child or "baby."

Child: "an individual under the age of 19 including the period from conception to birth."

Definition of “Child”

www.texmed.org

baby​

(bā′bē)
n. pl. ba·bies
a. A very young child; an infant.
b. An unborn child; a fetus.
c. The youngest member of a family or group.
d. A very young animal.

babies

Definition of babies in the Medical Dictionary by The Free Dictionary

medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com

How Your own citation defines a child: "the definition of child as "an individual from the period of viable birth to age 19,"
In other words, it's not a child until birth.

Irrelevant.

Do people not get emotional or react emotionally when the term "baby" is used? I have noticed the pro-life crowd seems to.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

It's funny how some people do not understand that very simple fact.

As you noted earlier, many people who do know this simple fact totally ignore it to intentionally get overly emotional.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Aced it. So what?

So you are smarter than over 60% of Americans who took the test.

 

[Bodi]

You seemed confused about it, with this statement [emphasis mine], " Is it a fetus or a baby. Of course it is a baby... but who cares? It is still in the mother and she can still make choices. If it's still in the womb, it is not yet a baby.

Ergo, not a child or "baby."

My point was that the terminology is irrelevant. Baby. Fetus. Child. They are all accurate and they are all describing the same thing.

So... no, no confusion on my end. How are you doing?

How Your own citation defines a child: "the definition of child as "an individual from the period of viable birth to age 19,"
In other words, it's not a child until birth.

Sure it is...

Do people not get emotional or react emotionally when the term "baby" is used?

Because it is an emotional issue.

I have noticed the pro-life crowd seems to.

They get emotional about their guns as well...