- Joined
- Jul 26, 2005
- Messages
- 6,971
- Reaction score
- 1,564
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Undisclosed
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Insurgencies alone can't win wars only militaries can, we took Baghdad in a week the Iraqi military is totally destroyed and the resistance is now made up of people who blow themselves up to kill civilians, they can't do any real damage to our military and they know it, insurgencies alone always fail in the end, it's historical fact it just takes about 8-10 years.
Bergslagstroll said:And this is exactly why Iraqies mistrust and dislike America. You only focus on your own damage to your military and thinks ok no problem lets stay. But ignore the Iraqie casualties. So yes the insurgancy may not make the american military pay a high price but the civilians have to pay it. But maybee that's a fair deal for some americans.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Hay good plan let's leave the country and let the people killing the civilians run the place. :roll:
Oh and let's totally ignore the fact that the elected Iraqi government voted by an overwhelming majority to have the U.S. stay and that every poll taken from the Iraqi populace has been in support of the U.S. staying.
Che said:Well actually it's us who are doing the killing. This war enviroment wasn't there before we came.
Che said:We get every male 18-21 at first to register for a draft.
Instead of having a small amount of trrops, we could raise it to 500,000 and overwhelm the insurgents. That way we can finish the job faster and get back to real problems that we face here in America.
Che said:What are you talking about??? The iraqi government WANTS us to leave.
Take a look at this
http://www.adn.com/24hour/iraq/story/2301106p-10508563c.html
Che said:Well actually it's us who are doing the killing. This war enviroment wasn't there before we came.
What are you talking about??? The iraqi government WANTS us to leave.
Take a look at this
http://www.adn.com/24hour/iraq/story/2301106p-10508563c.html
Trajan Octavian Titus said:No actually it's the insurgency doing the killing as for the atmosphere before we got there it was far far worse Saddam killed far more people than the insurgency could ever hope to.
And what am I talking about? The elected Iraqi government voted for us to stay and the President asked us to stay.
Harshaw said:Ummm . . .
Every male 18 year-old IS ALREADY required to register for the draft.
We could do that by closing our bases in Europe and redeploying those troops.
In any case, the commanders on the ground have repeatedly stated they don't need or want more than they already have, and I'm inclined to take their assessment as qualitative.
Che said:We do what Saddam does now. Capital Punishment. Saddam killed 300,000 while we and the insurgency have killed 100,000 in only 3 years. C'mon don't be naive we kill civilians:http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3827.htm
The iraqi gov't voted to have us stay but if you read the article you'd realize that they want us to leave very soon.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:10,000 insurgents want us to leave and 27 million Iraqis want us to stay, the bulk of civilian casualties is thanks to the insurgency they specifically target civilians the U.S. does not, are you asserting that there is some sort of moral equivalency between the U.S. and Saddam Hussein? Unbelievable we do capital punishment for people who have committed murder, Saddam used capital punishment for people who spoke an ill word about his Murderish regime, you're really unbelievable.
Che said:I think everyone except the Shiite majority that has taken over want us to leave. We've created a theocracy.
I am in no way trying to compare Saddam with America. Saddame was a murdering tyrant and we're not. All I'm saying is that if we continue with this casualty rate, millions will be dead by the time we leave. Unless we get more Military adivsors over there to train ther troops, and for GI's to swamp the insurgency.
You're right though. The capital punishment comment wasn't needed but you can draw comparisons. War is really never good. The longer it takes and the poorer it's run, the more deaths there going to be. So let's end it. That's all I'm saying
Che said:Well actually it's us who are doing the killing. This war enviroment wasn't there before we came.
What are you talking about??? The iraqi government WANTS us to leave.
Take a look at this
http://www.adn.com/24hour/iraq/story/2301106p-10508563c.html
VTA said:Errr Che? Muqtada al-Sadr is not in anyway a part of the Iraqi government.
Iraqis are increasingly calling on U.S. forces to leave their troubled nation, emboldened by a newly elected parliament and the growing presence of their blue-uniformed police forces - even though the new Iraqi leaders say it's too early to talk about a U.S. pullout.
Tens of thousands of mostly Shiite protesters, largely followers of militant cleric Muqtada al-Sadr...
Al Sadr is a militant who refused time and again offers to join the political process until he was outgunned and surrounded only to say, 'yeah, I'm in' just in time to avoid being killed.
He's still not in any more than he was in April '05 when this piece was written.
Che said:"Iraqis are increasingly calling on U.S. forces to leave"
maybe not a pull out yet, but they're wanting us to leave
VTA said:That's not the government, and the majority of your example were followers of the militant.
Che said:"Iraqis are increasingly calling on U.S. forces to leave their troubled nation, emboldened by a newly elected parliament and the growing presence of their blue-uniformed police forces"
That's the full quote. Errr.... I'm pretty sure militants aren't emboldened by Police and politicians
Trajan Octavian Titus said:Hay well that biased quote proves it then right? Even though it's in contradiction of what the President of Iraq said said, how the Iraqi government voted, and what the polls of the Iraqi people say. :roll:
Che said:Right, the theocratcic Shiite government and the non-exsistant TOT poll
Che said:Right, the theocratcic Shiite government and the non-exsistant TOT poll
Che said:"Iraqis are increasingly calling on U.S. forces to leave their troubled nation, emboldened by a newly elected parliament and the growing presence of their blue-uniformed police forces"
That's the full quote. Errr.... I'm pretty sure militants aren't emboldened by Police and politicians
Harshaw said:Here's a fantastic example of what the Left has been doing throughout the entire Bush administration, and not just about the War on Terror:
Moving the goalposts.
It's a repeating pattern:
"Bush needs to accomplish X. It'll never happen."
(X happens.)
"Yeah? Well, Y didn't happen, and X is meaningless without it . . . "
(Y happens)
"So what? For real success, you need Z."
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Put simply, the Left wants nothing better than gloom, doom, and defeat. They root for us to lose.
Kelzie said:Yeah you got us there. That's been our goal this entire time: complete failure in Iraq, along with as many American deaths as possible. Can't pull the wool over your eyes.:roll: *ahem* Your partisanship's showing.
Trajan Octavian Titus said:From Deans comments that we can't win the war to Kerry calling the troops terrorists all the way to Murtha calling for premature withdrawal it sure does seem like you want us to fail. Get with the program the Democrats are invested in defeat they want Bush to fail so they can reclaim their power, and let's not even get into how the liberals secretly cheer everytme there's another insurgency bombing resulting in U.S. casualties so they can celebrate the 1,000 and 2,000 KIA counts like they're a fuc/king holiday!
Kelzie said:Uh huh. TOT, it's been a long time since you've said something reasonable. You might want to give it a try from time to time. Shake people up a bit.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?