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Manchin says he ‘cannot vote’ for Democrats’ $2 trillion spending package

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What does Manchin want, to pass this bill?
2 Dem Senators control Bidens plans

Sen. Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.) on Sunday said that he could not support Democrats’ roughly $2 trillion bill to overhaul the country’s health care, education, climate, immigration and tax laws, dealing a potentially fatal blow to the final piece of President Biden’s economic agenda.
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For those that may hit a paywall
www.rollcall.com

Manchin pulls plug on 'Build Back Better' bill - Roll Call

Sen. Joe Manchin III said Sunday he can't support the sweeping social safety net and climate change package known as "Build Back Better."
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JANFU said:
What does Manchin want, to pass this bill?
2 Dem Senators control Bidens plans



For those that may hit a paywall
www.rollcall.com

Manchin pulls plug on 'Build Back Better' bill - Roll Call

Sen. Joe Manchin III said Sunday he can't support the sweeping social safety net and climate change package known as "Build Back Better."
www.rollcall.com www.rollcall.com
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Remove the spending gimmicks that we're used to get the bill to look like it will not cost more than 2 trillion. Everyone knows this bill is likely to cost about 1 trillion or more every year for at least the next 10 years.
 
I thought we were promised this would be passed back in September?
Must have been filed right next to Trump's healthcare plan.
 
trouble13 said:
Remove the spending gimmicks that we're used to get the bill to look like it will not cost more than 2 trillion. Everyone knows this bill is likely to cost about 1 trillion or more every year for at least the next 10 years.
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Oddly enough the same amount we will spend on our military and I don't see manchin or the rest of his republican buddies complaining.
 
trouble13 said:
Remove the spending gimmicks that we're used to get the bill to look like it will not cost more than 2 trillion. Everyone knows this bill is likely to cost about 1 trillion or more every year for at least the next 10 years.
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Everyone?
All 8 Billion plus people on the planet
 
JANFU said:
What does Manchin want, to pass this bill?
2 Dem Senators control Bidens plans



For those that may hit a paywall
www.rollcall.com

Manchin pulls plug on 'Build Back Better' bill - Roll Call

Sen. Joe Manchin III said Sunday he can't support the sweeping social safety net and climate change package known as "Build Back Better."
www.rollcall.com www.rollcall.com
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When I was fifteen or so I received some words of wisdom which I'll share...in most cases, can't really means won't.
 
PoS said:
Manchin is my fav Dem. The guy is awesome.
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Manchin is a dem just like I am a republican.

He is a centrist and true to his centrist views. We don't need too much liberalism, we need zero trumpism.
 
trouble13 said:
Remove the spending gimmicks that we're used to get the bill to look like it will not cost more than 2 trillion. Everyone knows this bill is likely to cost about 1 trillion or more every year for at least the next 10 years.
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Actually nobody knows that - and certainly not you - because it's not true.

First off, the total cost of BBB depends on whether certain programs will be extended after their sunset provisions. Extensions completely change the calculus.
www.crfb.org

Build Back Better Cost Would Double with Extensions | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2021-11-15-Note (11/30/2021): We have since published an updated analysis of the House-passed bill based on estimates from the Congressional Budget Office.
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Without extensions, the full bill is expected to cost $2.4 trillion against $2.2 trillion in offsets for a net debt accumulation of $200 billion, OVER TEN YEARS.
www.crfb.org

CBO Scores the Build Back Better Act | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2021-12-17-The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has released cost estimates for every title of the House-passed
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JustAFella said:
Agreed. I would like the problems to get worse and more expensive to deal with before we reconsider. That usually works great.
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Personally, I can't buy whatever I want whenever I want.
I respect that you think bankruptcy is a good idea.

Very trumpian of you.
 
bongsaway said:
Oddly enough the same amount we will spend on our military and I don't see manchin or the rest of his republican buddies complaining.
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If you ask me if we over spend on our military or on social programs; my answer is both.
 
bongsaway said:
Oddly enough the same amount we will spend on our military and I don't see manchin or the rest of his republican buddies complaining.
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What is stunning is how you and the other so called progressives have told us how great the Biden economy is, great job creation, great GDP growth but now want to spend trillions for exactly what purpose? If the economy and jobs are doing so great why more gov't spending?
 
Tender Branson said:
Manchin is a ****ing Dino traitor from a failing, drug-infested backwards state, who gets lobbyist coal money shovelled up his ass.
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ROFLMAO, anyone that doesn't walk in lockstep with the march to socialism is now called a traitor? Anyone who doesn't adhere to the Constitution, Biden and supporters are the real traitors. We are doing so great according to the left now that Trump is out of office so why the needed taxpayer spending?
 
It is good news for both Canadian and American workers and consumers. The automotive subsidy provisions in BBB are illegal violations of the recently renewed NAFTA agreement. The bill, if passed, would force Canada to retaliate, throwing tens of thousands of Americans out of work, drive up prices for consumers and devastating the integrated North American economy. It is a stab in the back of America's largest trading partner and closest ally.
 
Conservative said:
ROFLMAO, anyone that doesn't walk in lockstep with the march to socialism is now called a traitor? Anyone who doesn't adhere to the Constitution, Biden and supporters are the real traitors. We are doing so great according to the left now that Trump is out of office so why the needed taxpayer spending?
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A) he is a traitor for not passing much-needed progressive and green policies

B) more spending is needed to combat climate change, create green jobs, paid parental leave (all areas in which the US lags behind other western countries)
 
Stealers Wheel said:
Of course Manchin can't support this bill. He'd have to be a Democrat to do that.
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Sounds very Bidenistic.
www.cnn.com

Biden: 'If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black'

Joe Biden said he "shouldn't have been such a wise guy" on Friday hours after he told a popular African American radio host that anyone struggling to decide whether to support him or President Donald Trump in the general election "ain't black."
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"You've got more questions?" Biden replied. "Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black."
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