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Manafort attempted to tamper with potential witnesses -U.S. special counsel

markjs said:
Who did this? What is your evidence?
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Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe. If you can't recognize it by now, no new information I bring is going to convince you.

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OpportunityCost said:
Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe. If you can't recognize it by now, no new information I bring is going to convince you.

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Funny how "Spygate" has pretty much already fallen out of the news cycle, and has even been debunked and even on some right wing outlets, but, I guess when defending the indefensible like TRump and his supercharged swamp of an administration, you gotta hold on to something huh?

Or did the "DEEP STATE" just get the dirt on Gowdy and Napolitano now too?:lamo


 
markjs said:
Funny how "Spygate" has pretty much already fallen out of the news cycle, and has even been debunked and even on some right wing outlets, but, I guess when defending the indefensible like TRump and his supercharged swamp of an administrations, you gotta hold on to something huh?

Ofr did the "DEEP STATE" just get the dirt on Gowdy and Napolitano now too?:lamo


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Not really. McCabe is asking for process immunity. Brennan is known to have lied about knowledge of the Steele dossier because he discussed it with Reid. Clapper has lied repeatedly under oath about timelines. Comey was leaking repeatedly, along with McCabe.

The next fact that will drop into place is that Dibble acted as a conduit between State and Steele both for receiving memos and giving information to Steele. Speaking of Steele, he leaked parts of his own dossier to the press to lend it credibility.

Every time you see questionable behavior you find a partisan operator trying to cover their ass.

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OpportunityCost said:
Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe. If you can't recognize it by now, no new information I bring is going to convince you.
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Ummm. No. A go-between Manfort attempted to use to contact potential witnesses went to the authorities.

Apparently, he had no desire to share a cell with Manafort in Terre Haute.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Ummm. No. A go-between Manfort attempted to use to contact potential witnesses went to the authorities.

Apparently, he had no desire to share a cell with Manafort in Terre Haute.
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Without knowing what was said you don't know that. Mueller is desperate to have Manafort incarcerated to put pressure on him. He wants Manafort as a big fish because he knows Papadopolous and even Gates and Page aren't enough.

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Rogue Valley said:
That is what was reported.

Makes far more sense than your Clapper, Brennan, Comey, McCabe, DEEP STATE nonsense.
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Never mind that it's all true, right?

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OpportunityCost said:
Without knowing what was said you don't know that. Mueller is desperate to have Manafort incarcerated to put pressure on him. He wants Manafort as a big fish because he knows Papadopolous and even Gates and Page aren't enough.

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let's now place those words above in context:
OpportunityCost said:
Not really. McCabe is asking for process immunity. Brennan is known to have lied about knowledge of the Steele dossier because he discussed it with Reid. Clapper has lied repeatedly under oath about timelines. Comey was leaking repeatedly, along with McCabe.

The next fact that will drop into place is that Dibble acted as a conduit between State and Steele both for receiving memos and giving information to Steele. Speaking of Steele, he leaked parts of his own dossier to the press to lend it credibility.

Every time you see questionable behavior you find a partisan operator trying to cover their ass.

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then your own posts pretend to be those of one who is omniscient. you're certainly not that
 
OpportunityCost said:
Not really. McCabe is asking for process immunity. Brennan is known to have lied about knowledge of the Steele dossier because he discussed it with Reid. Clapper has lied repeatedly under oath about timelines. Comey was leaking repeatedly, along with McCabe.

The next fact that will drop into place is that Dibble acted as a conduit between State and Steele both for receiving memos and giving information to Steele. Speaking of Steele, he leaked parts of his own dossier to the press to lend it credibility.

Every time you see questionable behavior you find a partisan operator trying to cover their ass.

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And yet, none of that is evidence of some "get TRump" conspiracy, has no bearing on possible crimes of the administration, and not one point of the dossier, has yet to be disproven, while much has been coinfirmed, and some evidence suggeests more still is accurate.:2rofll:

How does any of it help your team, which day after day, story after story looks guilty by the minute?

It's a few scraps, pieced together by the paranoid, authored by a guy who has much to be paranoid about. I'm sure somehow, there's connections to Obama we'll never know about huh? Are you truly expecting criminal indictments within the FBI?:2rofll: If so, will be a LONG fruitless wait....
 
vesper said:
Wow I must have touched a nerve. :)
While you and every other on this forum who seek out any report from the MSM to undermine the current president duly elected have made your bed. Unfortunately the FACTS we have been issued/revealed at this time does not support your claims. But that sure as heck does not stop you from spreading disinformation. The truth will eventually make its way out and at that point I have no doubt members on this forum will be closing their accounts and reopening them with another name. What name will you be choosing for your new account? Will it be Blue Jay or possibly Finch? How about Meadow Lark, or even better how bout the Yellow Belly Sap Sucker.
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"Duly elected" Presidents will still find themselves under investigation if they're criminals. I know it's all the rage among the right to believe the President is above the law, but he isn't.

Next time, pick the Republican that isn't a criminal.
 
Saladin4 said:
True????...Hardly...Right Wing Info Wars conspiracy non sense more like it
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Then you are able to demonstrate which parts and how they are false.

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justabubba said:
let's now place those words above in context:

then your own posts pretend to be those of one who is omniscient. you're certainly not that
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Brennan testified when he had knowledge of the dossier. He spoke with Reid about it before that, it was reported. No inside knowledge required, all public knowledge.

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OpportunityCost said:
Without knowing what was said you don't know that. Mueller is desperate to have Manafort incarcerated to put pressure on him. He wants Manafort as a big fish because he knows Papadopolous and even Gates and Page aren't enough.

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We know that Manafort contacted these two witnesses and attempted to affect their testimony because the two witnesses reported it. We know that it happened because the FBI corroborated it by getting the messages off Manafort's iCloud. Unless you're alleging that Mueller lied in his motion, these are facts. Manafort has attorneys. If Mueller lied, they can easily argue that in hearing. Further, Mueller would then be indicted given that he would be falsifying evidence (the WhatsApp messages). Do you really honestly believe this?

Finally, if there's nothing to flip on then there's no reason for Mueller to want him to flip...
 
markjs said:
And yet, none of that is evidence of some "get TRump" conspiracy, has no bearing on possible crimes of the administration, and not one point of the dossier, has yet to be disproven, while much has been coinfirmed, and some evidence suggeests more still is accurate.:2rofll:

How does any of it help your team, which day after day, story after story looks guilty by the minute?

It's a few scraps, pieced together by the paranoid, authored by a guy who has much to be paranoid about. I'm sure somehow, there's connections to Obama we'll never know about huh? Are you truly expecting criminal indictments within the FBI?:2rofll: If so, will be a LONG fruitless wait....
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It has everything to do with it when one guy is there to plant the idea about information and another guy is there to sell the information, and then no one buys.

FFS, no one is trying to confirm or deny the dossier. It's pretty hard to say what's true and what's false when the law enforcement agencies that might actually know won't talk about it. If you could try to apply critical thinking you would examine each data point as something to be found true or false, not play dumb and assume it must all be true or all be false.

It's only paranoid if they aren't out to get you and they most certainly are out to get Trump.

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Khayembii Communique said:
We know that Manafort contacted these two witnesses and attempted to affect their testimony because the two witnesses reported it. We know that it happened because the FBI corroborated it by getting the messages off Manafort's iCloud. Unless you're alleging that Mueller lied in his motion, these are facts. Manafort has attorneys. If Mueller lied, they can easily argue that in hearing. Further, Mueller would then be indicted given that he would be falsifying evidence (the WhatsApp messages). Do you really honestly believe this?

Finally, if there's nothing to flip on then there's no reason for Mueller to want him to flip...
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The content is what will determine if Manafort engaged in witness tampering.

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Cardinal said:
"Duly elected" Presidents will still find themselves under investigation if they're criminals. I know it's all the rage among the right to believe the President is above the law, but he isn't.

Next time, pick the Republican that isn't a criminal.
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That's funny, who did Democrats nominate again?

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Saladin4 said:
True????...Hardly...Right Wing Info Wars conspiracy non sense more like it
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A picture of bird **** contributes more to the thread than your posts do.

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OpportunityCost said:
It's only paranoid if they aren't out to get you and they most certainly are out to get Trump.
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Ftsoa, let's say you're right they "They" are out to get Trump.

Is it more likely that the CIA, DoJ, and FBI, all went rogue together?
Or is it more likely that the guy who surrounds himself with money launderers and undeclared foreign agents has something shady going on around him?

Shouldn't we rule out the possibility that the guy who hangs out with shady guys could be associated with something shady before we begin believing that the cops and intel guys have gone criminal?
 
OpportunityCost said:
The content is what will determine if Manafort engaged in witness tampering.

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And Mueller is saying the content has determined that Manafort engaged in an "attempt to tamper with potential witnesses". It's laid out fairly clearly in Mueller's filing. Unless you think that Manafort is going to be able to successfully argue that his contacts with D1 and D2, via a friend, through an encrypted line were kosher, and testimony by Persons D1 and D2 that Manafort was attempting to suborn perjury is a lie?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Ftsoa, let's say you're right they "They" are out to get Trump.

Is it more likely that the CIA, DoJ, and FBI, all went rogue together?
Or is it more likely that the guy who surrounds himself with money launderers and undeclared foreign agents has something shady going on around him?

Shouldn't we rule out the possibility that the guy who hangs out with shady guys could be associated with something shady before we begin believing that the cops and intel guys have gone criminal?
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It's likely they skirted the line between partisanship and legitimate investigation and are being asked to explain their choices and conduct.

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Khayembii Communique said:
And Mueller is saying the content has determined that Manafort engaged in an "attempt to tamper with potential witnesses". It's laid out fairly clearly in Mueller's filing. Unless you think that Manafort is going to be able to successfully argue that his contacts with D1 and D2, via a friend, through an encrypted line were kosher, and testimony by Persons D1 and D2 that Manafort was attempting to suborn perjury is a lie?
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That is what is alleged. No testimony as yet. The court determines if he violated parole or not. Soon enough we will know.

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OpportunityCost said:
That's funny, who did Democrats nominate again?

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The one not under investigation for collusion with a hostile foreign power, the one not under investigation for a myriad of financial crimes, the one not breaking the emoluments clause in plain sight, the one not under investigation for obstruction of justice, the one who didn't scam regular Americans out of nearly a quarter billion dollars in a university scam, the one not arguing that a President can pardon oneself, the one not saying that a President can shut down an investigation into oneself, the one not accused by over 16 people of sexual harassment and assault, the one not accused of campaign fraud, and the one who released her tax returns, thus giving us a transparent look at her finances.

That one.
 
OpportunityCost said:
That's funny, who did Democrats nominate again?

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They nominated a woman who didn't have ties to Russia and who knows just how many other countries. They nominated a woman who didn't have foreign support in amounts necessary to influence the election, and they did nominate a woman who doesn't lie every time she opens her mouth. A breath of fresh air.
 
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