Man tazed for freedom of speech.

[dirtpoorchris]

All he had to do was walk out.

But no, he had to reist arrest ...

I was rooting for him, up until the point he was asked to leave, and he refused.

I don't feel a cop should have to fight someone who is resiting arrest. Why should the cops risk getting hurt?

I miss the days before tazers ... billy clubs got the job done just fine.

If a cop says do something, you do it. If it was wrong you can file a complaint.

Now if the cop is telling you to do something illegal or something outside his authority that is another story.

It should have gone like this.

"You need to leave"
"no"
"Leave now or be tazed"
"no"
"last warning"
tazed, carried out

Problem solved.

If that was my child i would have liked to meet those cops .. and thank them.

Looks like you got a bad case of cops-are-superman-itis.

 

[bilbus]

Looks like you got a bad case of cops-are-superman-itis.

Because i respect the rule of law?

You can't just break laws because you disagree with them. Thats what courts are for.

Do i trust cops .. why not?

If you are being attacked who you going to call .. the ACLU or the nypd?

I don't get why everyone seems to hate cops, they are what is stopping crime .. without them would be anarchy.

 

[Bodi]

Because i respect the rule of law?

You can't just break laws because you disagree with them. Thats what courts are for.

Do i trust cops .. why not?

If you are being attacked who you going to call .. the ACLU or the nypd?

I don't get why everyone seems to hate cops, they are what is stopping crime .. without them would be anarchy.

Didn't you know that it is fashionable to hate cops and teachers these days? Next up, it will be firemen for some reason, then medical staff... and then children and puppy dogs. WTF is it with people that they have to hate so much. What is it that they are so dissatisfied with anyway?

 

[Vader]

Didn't you know that it is fashionable to hate cops and teachers these days? Next up, it will be firemen for some reason, then medical staff... and then children and puppy dogs. WTF is it with people that they have to hate so much. What is it that they are so dissatisfied with anyway?

Bodhi, who let you out of your dungeon?

 

[Ikari]

Because i respect the rule of law?

You can't just break laws because you disagree with them. Thats what courts are for.

Courts can be corrupted. The original intent of the trial by a jury of your peers was supposed to be the ultimate check on the State. It wasn't "was a law broken" it was "did he do anything wrong?". If there is an unjust law, one the People don't agree with and a man is charged by it, he should be found innocent. But now it's just enforcement of State law and sometimes law is unjust.

Do i trust cops .. why not?

Ain't ever been in trouble with the Chicago PD I see. You don't trust them because the authority can be corrupted, and to some degree is corrupted. Not all cops are bad, but we as the People don't know which ones are good and which ones are bad so it's best to err on the side of caution and assume they're bad till proven otherwise. Any body which wields the power and sovereignty of the People must necessarily be distrusted, constrained, and watched.

If you are being attacked who you going to call .. the ACLU or the nypd?

After I've been attacked, I may call the cops. But the cops can't do anything to prevent the attack in progress; they can't teleport to my location. I carry a gun, I'll protect myself. The cops aren't going to protect you, their main role is State fundraiser.

I don't get why everyone seems to hate cops, they are what is stopping crime .. without them would be anarchy.

They are corrupted with their own power. They forget where that power comes from. The police are like government, in fact are an arm of government. Necessary, but untrustworthy. They must be constrained and restricted in their use of the People's power and soveriegnty.

 

[Bodi]

Bodhi, who let you out of your dungeon?

I broke out and they can't catch me...

 

[Vader]

I broke out and they can't catch me...

Yeah ... that sounds about right.

:rofl

 

[bilbus]

Police are a reactionary force, i never said they teleport to you once the magic crime alarm goes off.

No i have never been harassed by police. I also have never put my self in a situation where i have had to interact with them.

Funny how obeying the laws leads to that.

What i did say they are a deterrent force that arrests suspected criminals. Without them there would be no law and order.

Have i ever been to Chicago, no why would i want to visit a Liberal ****hole.

Am i saying that there are no corrupt cops, no.

I am saying that they are the extreme minority though. Can you name one organization where all of the members are perfect?

No, until you have robot police officers, there will always be bad apples.

 

[Bodi]

Police are a reactionary force, i never said they teleport to you once the magic crime alarm goes off.

No i have never been harassed by police. I also have never put my self in a situation where i have had to interact with them.

Funny how obeying the laws leads to that.

What i did say they are a deterrent force that arrests suspected criminals. Without them there would be no law and order.

Have i ever been to Chicago, no why would i want to visit a Liberal ****hole.

Am i saying that there are no corrupt cops, no.

I am saying that they are the extreme minority though. Can you name one organization where all of the members are perfect?

No, until you have robot police officers, there will always be bad apples.

Well said...

In certain areas people do have a legitimate gripe about abusive cops. I know that in LA, innocent and decent African Americans routinely get stopped and harrassed, as an example. Generally though, the ones getting stopped are kids that might be good or innocent, but that dress in the "thug rapper" style. Cops do and should profile, so those that fit the profile... well, shut up.

Like you said, I never fit the profile and I never was in the way of cops, so I have nothing to say that is negative. Almost every instance that I have seen cops interact in, they were professional and respectful. Not all, but almost all. They deal with the **** dregs of society, for the most part, and are then treated like crap by whining liberals. It is like the teachers... give them an almost impossible task and then yell at them for not meeting all of your expectations. :lol:

whatever...

I think that most people need to meet a cop and have a talk wtih them over a beer. They would learn a ton. Also, go along on a ride along if you can... eye opening! Some of the smartest and quickest guys that I have met where detectives... clever and inventive bastards.

 

[Ikari]

Police are a reactionary force, i never said they teleport to you once the magic crime alarm goes off.

They aren't here for our protection, they used to be a form of civil service; now they are State fundraisers. They aren't even required to respond if you are in help, it's not an institution I would place faith in; not when its clear all they are there for is to squeeze additional money out of the people.

No i have never been harassed by police. I also have never put my self in a situation where i have had to interact with them.

Funny how obeying the laws leads to that.

There are enough arbitrary, selectively enforced laws out there that you've probably violated some of them. Those are used to pick up certain "folk" though, and if you're not of that segment you usually get passed over.

What i did say they are a deterrent force that arrests suspected criminals. Without them there would be no law and order.

Without them, we'd have a different institution set up to do what they do. Cops or some form of authority enforcers are necessary. As I said, they are of government so they must be treated like government. They wield the power and the soveriegnty of the People and thus must be restrained, constrained, restricted, watched, and kept to the lowest size scale possible...just like all branches of government.

Have i ever been to Chicago, no why would i want to visit a Liberal ****hole.

It's not liberal, it's fascist totalitarianism, it's the same place the Republocrats have been pushing us for a long long time.

Am i saying that there are no corrupt cops, no.

Good, cause there are plenty of counter examples.

I am saying that they are the extreme minority though. Can you name one organization where all of the members are perfect?

And abuse of the People's power and soveriegnty must be met with swift and severe consequence.

No, until you have robot police officers, there will always be bad apples.

And one bad apple ruins the barrel.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

They aren't here for our protection, they used to be a form of civil service; now they are State fundraisers. They aren't even required to respond if you are in help, it's not an institution I would place faith in; not when its clear all they are there for is to squeeze additional money out of the people.

I would agree that I think cops are more of a fundraiser than a crime stopper in our world.

 

[the sine cura]

As long as it takes for people to understand that they need to remain in control of themselves at all times. This moron was out of control. I for one am glad he got tazed. They should have sprayed him with pepper spray in the eyes as well.

This is bull. Just another incident of government having authority and taking people's rights away. The only people who should have been tazed were those policemen, along with pepper spray in their eyes. It is sad they get paid to take people's rights away.

 

[Bodi]

This is bull. Just another incident of government having authority and taking people's rights away. The only people who should have been tazed were those policemen, along with pepper spray in their eyes. It is sad they get paid to take people's rights away.

Where do you draw the line then? What rights should we have and what should people not be able to do? This guy was an asshole and was not allowing others their right to speech by dominating the conversation ,and that is not acceptable in a public forum. The police were trying to remove him peacably, and he acted like an idiot. He continued to provoke them, when all he had to do was to step aside, get a warning about behavior and then move on. They would have just talked to him outside, taken his name and let him go. Not this guy though, he just provoked and provoked until they had to do more than talk. sounds like you condone people being able to trample on rights so long as you agree with them, because the rational way to look at this incident is that this guy was restricting other peoples rights and the police were backing up those people. He stepped over the line by trouncing other peoples rights and once he did that, he forfeited his rights just as a criminal does when the commit a crime. Just think about it a moment and don't let your bias against government hinder an open mindset.

 

[the sine cura]

Where do you draw the line then? What rights should we have and what should people not be able to do? This guy was an asshole and was not allowing others their right to speech by dominating the conversation ,and that is not acceptable in a public forum. The police were trying to remove him peacably, and he acted like an idiot. He continued to provoke them, when all he had to do was to step aside, get a warning about behavior and then move on. They would have just talked to him outside, taken his name and let him go. Not this guy though, he just provoked and provoked until they had to do more than talk. sounds like you condone people being able to trample on rights so long as you agree with them, because the rational way to look at this incident is that this guy was restricting other peoples rights and the police were backing up those people. He stepped over the line by trouncing other peoples rights and once he did that, he forfeited his rights just as a criminal does when the commit a crime. Just think about it a moment and don't let your bias against government hinder an open mindset.

If I watched correctly, after he asked his questions, he stepped down. He wasn't provoking anything at the microphone. He only started to shout when the police tried to arrest him for no rightful cause. He asked his questions, peacefully. He only got angry when the police tried to arrest him after what some may call "dumb" questions (although no questions are actually 'dumb')

 

[Bodi]

If I watched correctly, after he asked his questions, he stepped down. He wasn't provoking anything at the microphone. He only started to shout when the police tried to arrest him for no rightful cause. He asked his questions, peacefully. He only got angry when the police tried to arrest him after what some may call "dumb" questions (although no questions are actually 'dumb')

In that video he appears to be nice and he gets screwed by the cops, yes. Check out this version [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaiWCS10C5s"]YouTube - UF Police Taser Student During Kerry Forum[/ame] that shows more of the incident prior to the cops getting involved. He goes on and on. He gives a small speech, he interrupts John Kerry during this as well, he then demands that he is going to ask two more questions. The cop tells him to get on with it early on and he is an asshole to the cop. They then cut off his mike and simply try to remove him. He is the one that starts yelling about getting arrested, all it looks like to me is that they are trying to remove him. Either way, he starts fighting the cops. This is all on him. He is a punk that get what he deserved IMO.

 

[Bodi]

He later went on Good Morning America, or some such show, admitted he was wrong, admitted that the cops were just doing their job and that they did nothing wrong, admitted he broke the rules of the forum and that he had written letters of apology to the police and the University. Seems like an open and shut case where he was wrong and people are blaming the cops again for crossing the line when, in fact, they did a great job handling another asshole.

His rights were not violated, in fact, he was in the wrong and blindly blaming the government is also wrong.

 

[SovereignState]

They wouldn't even let this man walk out on his own once he obviously wanted to in the begining. Good thing I wasn't in this crowd. I would not assult a single person but I would put my hand on one of these agents shoulders and pull them off and let them know they where violating this man's constitutional right.

YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum
How much longer must people (retarded or not) be shoved under the carpet and tazed so that the sheep can keep bowing to idolistic candidates and trample on the free's rights.

You wanna cry "wolf" while you're at it?
I'm the first one to protect free speech, but this jerk was obviously conducting himself in a disorderly and disruptive manner, and then resisting arrest when he refused to yield the floor. I don't know if the police were too aggressive or not, but he definitely was NOT engaging in "free speech" by trying to take over a discussion-forum. They had the right to remove him, and he resisted and refused.
Free speech is not the right to be disruptive and disorderly in the process.

When police give a person a legal order, they are legally required to comply-- and this guy is not above the law.
However those cops are pretty wimpy if they can't handle a disruptive geek without tasering them-- seriously, was he THAT dangerous? I woulda just picked him up and tossed him out like last week's newspapers. Sounds like these cops are just some typical stupid donut-eaters who can't even handle a dumb college-kid.

 

[ADK_Forever]

They wouldn't even let this man walk out on his own once he obviously wanted to in the begining. Good thing I wasn't in this crowd. I would not assult a single person but I would put my hand on one of these agents shoulders and pull them off

I'm pretty sure putting your hands on that officer "and" pulling him off would be assault and probably interfering in a police officer's duties, etc. And if you had interfered you too would have been arrested. But, I suspect you know this, right?

and let them know they where violating this man's constitutional right.

What Constitutional Right, of that a-hole, were those officers violating? Now take a minute and think about this one.

 

[SovereignState]

I'm pretty sure putting your hands on that officer "and" pulling him off would be assault and probably interfering in a police officer's duties, etc. And if you had interfered you too would have been arrested. But, I suspect you know this, right?

Not if the officer is criminally exceeding the scope of his or her authority, thus committing a crime in itself, and authorizing a citizen to intervene.

 

[Bodi]

Not if the officer is criminally exceeding the scope of his or her authority, thus committing a crime in itself, and authorizing a citizen to intervene.

Which obviously WAS NOT happening, so the point is moot.

 

[Rodney]

I'm pretty sure putting your hands on that officer "and" pulling him off would be assault and probably interfering in a police officer's duties, etc. And if you had interfered you too would have been arrested. But, I suspect you know this, right?



What Constitutional Right, of that a-hole, were those officers violating? Now take a minute and think about this one.

WOW A man without rights. Now I`m going to have to go carefuly read the WHOLE story, so I can stand with Dirtpoor, knowing the truth. I don`t like the sound of someone not haveing any rights. Sounds to much like ,"Police State". :shock:

 

[Rodney]

I'm pretty sure putting your hands on that officer "and" pulling him off would be assault and probably interfering in a police officer's duties, etc. And if you had interfered you too would have been arrested. But, I suspect you know this, right?



What Constitutional Right, of that a-hole, were those officers violating? Now take a minute and think about this one.

Turns out DirtpoorChris is right, and you,ADK are a sad representative of our decaying freedom in America.
WE need a lot more students with a voice and fewer of you ,and the pig that tazed the student.
When I had agreed to perhaps die for my country, I felt strongly that the student upriseings of the time, were a good thing, guaranteed by constitutionaly protected rights.
I realy don`t want to know anymore about what you represent.

 

[Bodi]

Originally Posted by ADK_Forever
I'm pretty sure putting your hands on that officer "and" pulling him off would be assault and probably interfering in a police officer's duties, etc. And if you had interfered you too would have been arrested. But, I suspect you know this, right?



What Constitutional Right, of that a-hole, were those officers violating? Now take a minute and think about this one.

WOW A man without rights. Now I`m going to have to go carefuly read the WHOLE story, so I can stand with Dirtpoor, knowing the truth. I don`t like the sound of someone not haveing any rights. Sounds to much like ,"Police State". :shock:

Rodney,

Were does ADK_Forever state that the man not having, "any rights"? I think that it is extremely clear that ADK_Forever asks, "What Constitutional Right ... were those officers violating?" So, what right were they violating Rodney? You clearly did not take a minute to think about that one, as was suggested, did you?

 

[Bodi]

Turns out DirtpoorChris is right, and you,ADK are a sad representative of our decaying freedom in America.
WE need a lot more students with a voice and fewer of you ,and the pig that tazed the student.
When I had agreed to perhaps die for my country, I felt strongly that the student upriseings of the time, were a good thing, guaranteed by constitutionaly protected rights.
I realy don`t want to know anymore about what you represent.

He represents intellectual honesty and willingness to communicate differing ideas... as he has demonstrated repeatedly on this site. You apparently represent ignorance and out of context perspectives as well as disdain for law enforcement personal. That is quite sad.

We see that you also advocate students grandstanding regardless of forum rules, if you would only read a couple of my posts on the last page, the stupid student that got tazed ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG AND THAT HE HAD VIOLATED FORUM RULES AT THAT SPEECH AND THAT THE COPS WERE RIGHT AND THAT THEY WERE DOING THEIR JOB APPROPRIATELY. :lol:

Dude, some of you have such a hard on over cops and you hate them no matter what...

...And Dirtpoorchris is almost never right, as far as anybody at DP can tell.

 

[Bodi]

I guess that Rodney is having trouble making sense of his posts too...