argexpat
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I don't know anything about this case. But I can say I know for a fact two years ago anything over 4 ounces would get you federal "possession with intent to distribute" charges and would require a minimum 22 year sentence, 50 plus if you use or possess a weapon during the crime (sell). I know for a fact we were letting child molesters, bank robbers and rapists out to make room for these low level dealers. There's only so many rooms at the Inn as we used to say. Someone goes in, someone's got to come out. In 16 years I can't tell you number of times I picked up a parolee in violation who was an SO (sex offender), called the "Inn" only to be told they didn't have any room from him. So back out on the street he goes. BTW 4 ounces would fit in an average quart jar or two glad sandwich bags.vauge said:How much was he selling?
vauge said:How much was he selling?
I agree. But the real insanity is the amount of resources we're putting into trying to stop people from using something they're not going to stop using. This didn't work with alcohol and it isn't working with marijuana. Letting out rapist to keep in marijuana growers is completely f**king insane.argexpat said:Unknown, but does it really matter? It's a plant, for Christ's sake. How can a plant that grows naturally be illegal. It's insane, I tell you, insane!!!
I got no problems putting dealers in jail either. I do have a problem letting violent criminals out to make room for them. And I've seen this lunacy at work.vauge said:You guys sure like to go to the extream.
There is an element missing in this story.
Did he kill his wife?
No
Did he shoot at an officer?
No
Since they will not make drugs legal, I have not issues with putting the distributers in jail - for years - let them rot. But, I do have issues with the normal folks wanting a little entertainment and getting put in jail.
The difference I see is that regular folks that want to smoke a little at a party will do it in moderation. Sellers would sell thier soul to the devil for a buck.
This would make it more difficult to get. Really don't care where/how they get it. Folks that are dumb enough to sell it could be locked up - it's a catch 22. Get the sellers off the street, you get the drugs off the street. (As thought it were really that simple)Pacridge said:So where would your regular folks get the smoke to use it in moderation? Not sure I can follow your logic here.
We agree here.I do have a problem letting violent criminals out to make room for them. And I've seen this lunacy at work.
It is a catch 22 and the tax payers are stuck in the middle paying the bill for a failed policy.vauge said:This would make it more difficult to get. Really don't care where/how they get it. Folks that are dumb enough to sell it could be locked up - it's a catch 22. Get the sellers off the street, you get the drugs off the street. (As thought it were really that simple)
We agree here.
vague said:You guys sure like to go to the extream
vague said:Since they will not make drugs legal, I have not issues with putting the distributors in jail - for years - let them rot. But, I do have issues with the normal folks wanting a little entertainment and getting put in jail. The difference I see is that regular folks that want to smoke a little at a party will do it in moderation. Sellers would sell their soul to the devil for a buck.
Your right. The whole idea of drugs being illegal is crazy. But, drugs will not be legal anytime soon. If congress were to legalize all drugs tommorrow, many extreamists would bitch and complain that thousands of policeofficers would loose thier job. It would not be a good political move. As we all know, regardless of the majority - the sqeeeky wheel gets the grease.argexpat said:Sorry, Vague, but this doesn't make any sense. Someone has to distribute the stuff to normal folks. Legalizing pot would take a lucrative commodity off the black market and its profits out of the hands of criminals. It could be regulated and distributed just like alcohol and tobacco, which kill hundreds of thousands of people each year.
Why can't I get a simple amen on this from you, Vague? As a conservative, this kind of overweening, jack-booted government thuggery should drive you as crazy as it drives me.
The "War on Drugs" wears no clothes!!!
vauge said:Your right. The whole idea of drugs being illegal is crazy. But, drugs will not be legal anytime soon. If congress were to legalize all drugs tommorrow, many extreamists would bitch and complain that thousands of policeofficers would loose thier job. It would not be a good political move. As we all know, regardless of the majority - the sqeeeky wheel gets the grease.
Because of this, I do not see an issue with putting the dealers behind bars. I am talking lbs not ounces.
But they wouldn't be if some people had their way.....argexpat said:possession of a gun (which are legal)
argexpat said:People of America, when are you going to legalize marijuana??? This is lunacy!!!
I don't know. From all you write, it seems that quite a few people have died as a result of activities involving marijuana.
Fantasea said:Tons of people that die in marijuana-related activities are the gang members that compete in the not-so-friendly black market because they can't legally sell marijuana and want the inflated-price profits.argexpat said:I don't know. From all you write, it seems that quite a few people have died as a result of activities involving marijuana.
Legalize drugs. Our species is the smartest on the earth. I think we deserve to decide what we consume by ourselves.
If our species is the smartest on earth, why is it that so many of them prefer an intoxicated stupor of one kind or another to being fully alert to all of the beauties of life?Gabo said:Tons of people that die in marijuana-related activities are the gang members that compete in the not-so-friendly black market because they can't legally sell marijuana and want the inflated-price profits.
Legalize drugs. Our species is the smartest on the earth. I think we deserve to decide what we consume by ourselves.
Fantasea said:If our species is the smartest on earth, why is it that so many of them prefer an intoxicated stupor of one kind or another to being fully alert to all of the beauties of life?
Gabo said:Really?To each his own.
You and I may prefer to remain toxication-free, but does that mean you and I have the right to force the entire nation, at gunpoint, to do what we think is right?
Since when has intoxication been considered right? Isn't it a duty of government to protect all of its citizens from harm?
The entire point of our nation's founding was a country where people had the right to make their own decisions. When drug laws were first created they were to forde the minorities to stop using their drugs.
I guess it was observed that, at that time,they had enough other problems to contend with without adding intoxication to their misery.
A crime is an event in which someone infringes on someone else's rights.
Now explain how victimless crimes are crimes at all when they hurt no one but yourself.
Victimless? You write too well to be suckered in by an absolute untruth.
However, since you insist on an explanation, read on.
Consider the homeless who are that way because their habit consumed all of their assets and has rendered them unemployable.
Consider the businesses that suffer losses due to absenteeism, employee pilferage, shoplifting, etc. either to support, or because of, a habit. These losses have to be recouped by increasing the prices that consumers must pay for the goods or services.
Consider adolescents who can't finish high school because they have to get a job flipping hamburgers to afford their alternative 'high'.
Consider the high school graduates who can't get into a college because they couldn't get their SATs as high as they were at the time.
Consider those who succumb to the peer pressure of their new found friends in freshman year to light up together. Not only do they flunk out together, but they have a student loan upon which they will probably default.
Consider the marriages that go bust because one spouse can't put up with a habit of the other.
Consider the hungry kids whose food money, either earned or welfare, is used to feed a habit of either or both parents.
Consider that of the fifty thousand highway fatalities each year, half the drivers are found to have been intoxicated on something.
Consider the aged parents whose retirement nest eggs are stolen or begged away to support a habit of their children.
Consider the numerous prominent names who owe an untimely demise to something that wasn't supposed to hurt them.
The argument that pot doesn't hurt anyone ignores the fact that it is often the first step down the slippery slope.
If you can't see the victims in the few groups described above, it is because you don't wish to.
Every taxpayer is a victim, too, because of the direct burden placed upon the health care system by the user and those victimized by the user.
Alcohol is not 'victimless' either. However, that's another story.
Fantasea said:Consider the homeless who are that way because their habit consumed all of their assets and has rendered them unemployable.
Consider the businesses that suffer losses due to absenteeism, employee pilferage, shoplifting, etc. either to support, or because of, a habit. These losses have to be recouped by increasing the prices that consumers must pay for the goods or services.
Consider adolescents who can't finish high school because they have to get a job flipping hamburgers to afford their alternative 'high'.
Consider the high school graduates who can't get into a college because they couldn't get their SATs as high as they were at the time.
Consider those who succumb to the peer pressure of their new found friends in freshman year to light up together. Not only do they flunk out together, but they have a student loan upon which they will probably default.
Consider the marriages that go bust because one spouse can't put up with a habit of the other.
Consider the hungry kids whose food money, either earned or welfare, is used to feed a habit of either or both parents.
Consider that of the fifty thousand highway fatalities each year, half the drivers are found to have been intoxicated on something.
Consider the aged parents whose retirement nest eggs are stolen or begged away to support a habit of their children.
Consider the numerous prominent names who owe an untimely demise to something that wasn't supposed to hurt them.
The argument that pot doesn't hurt anyone ignores the fact that it is often the first step down the slippery slope.
If you can't see the victims in the few groups described above, it is because you don't wish to.
Every taxpayer is a victim, too, because of the direct burden placed upon the health care system by the user and those victimized by the user.
Alcohol is not 'victimless' either. However, that's another story.
Fantasea said:Isn't it a duty of government to protect all of its citizens from harm?
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