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Man Crashes Car into Tokyo Crowd



Define many, many more....you have given a couple of examples.


One example of a school attack with a bomb...in the 1920's....


How many since then with guns ???


In direct answer to you, when people in the USA (with easy access to guns) decide to attack a crowd or crowded place like a mall or school or church etc....how many decide to use a car ?
How many decide to use guns ?


Quite a few ???


List them !
 


Without repealing the 2nd amendment, all gun control proposals are half measures.

Repeal the 2nd amendment and ban all firearms. Then you can make exception like double and single barreled shotguns, bolt action rifles, muzzle loaders for example.


You need to ban every gun and make exceptions because otherwise you'll get into a legal quagmire of trying to define certain gun types.
How do you define an "assault" rifle ?

How do you even define a hand gun ?

But basically I'd like to see all fully and semi-automatic guns banned
Then all hand guns banned
Then all shotguns with a capacity > 2 banned

Pretty much adopt British gun laws.

Allow any gun if it is totally deactivated.
 
jimbo said:
And in other Japanese news. At least 12 people dead and 60 more injured in a Serin gas attack in a subway. So people who have access to other means and do not have guns do find a way.
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Yes, Serin gas needs to be banned too.


What - it already is ?
I wonder why that is...Serin gas doesn't kill people, people kill people.
What about all the law abiding Serin gas owners - why were they punished ?
 
Rich2018 said:
So let's remove all TERRORIST attacks.

Now what your top 20 ?
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Why remove the terrorist attacks? That's a new twist on your claim that guns bad because Japanese kid drives car into a crowd.

The first school attack in the '20's. Bomb.

First plane attack in my memory. Graham in the '50's. Offed his mom for the insurance money.

Fire bombings. At least 3 in my memory. Causes: Hated gays. Killed girl friend, Covering up a robbery.

Most high count incidents involve aircraft. Usually because there are seldom survivors and there are a lot of people in a confined space. Since there is often little evidence left that would identify the perp or the motive, it's difficult to know how many there actually happen. For these reasons, terrorists don't often use aircraft. Terrorists want the attention.
 

How long have you been in the US?
 
Rich2018 said:
So whose responsibility is it to pass gun control laws ?
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??? You seem to be operating under the assumption that someone besides you is going to be responsible for carrying out your legislative desires. It is your responsibility to work that issue.

A motivated person would stop posting toothless rants on social media, and actually try to effect change. Some decide to become politically active, attempting to get Federal, State, and Local governments to pass more "gun control" laws (no matter how ineffective or impractical). When faced with the prospect that their legislative agenda is sometimes deemed to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS, it becomes their responsibility to act to have the Constitution amended.

In the meantime, the rest of us will watch with amusement. A few of us will actively oppose your legislative efforts. Such is the way the system works.

Of course, you can instead decide to continue ranting here...............

 

Since you admit that the number of people likely to commit gun violence is quite small, it makes zero sense to take away guns from the whole. That's not an answer. It can't work and won't work. BTW, of course, we've always had lots of guns from colonial times up to today. It's been one of the hallmarks of America. People are free to own firearms. It's what sets us apart from those who have knuckled under to government control of their lives. Find a way to get rid of all the criminals and then you can have the guns. Guns DO NOT make people criminals.
 

That may be part of it but I'm not sure that's it. We do a very poor job of identifying and treating the mentally ill these days. In the quest not to "stigmatize" the mentally ill, we let them roam around in society free to do as they wish. Sometimes that turns into the tragedy of a mass shooting. That's not to say that all mass shooters are mentally ill but some clearly have been. (VA Tech for example) Some are isolated, desperate, disconnected or simply evil.
 
So he tried to murder a bunch of people to protest capital punishment?

Seems rational.
 

Maybe, sure let's go with it and say it could be so. If so, then clearly we should ban automobiles, right?

(also, let us note that most gun deaths in the US are suicides, not homicides - indeed, over half the gun deaths in the US are suicides. Now, with that in mind, what is the US suicide rate compared to the gun-controlled Japan's suicide rate?)
 
Rich2018 said:
Have you informed the Dept of Defense about this ?

Get the marines to hand in those obsolete, inefficient guns....
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HA,HA. Whens the last time a bomb or aircraft stacked on a door to clear a room? Hmm probably never.
 
Rich2018 said:
The point is that he didn't find a way....unlike similar people in the USA who have access to guns.
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And what if he would have killed them with his little car? Would you still be strutting around crowing? I think a few of those people got plain lucky.
 
And that's it in a nut shell. The state started telling us how to raise our kids instead of leaving it up to us(my kids did learn my way) child labor laws,csd, every kids a winner and gets pushed through school regardless and less not forget drugs prescribed for every ailment real or imagined. I could go on all day. But I won't.
 
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veritas1 said:
We do a very poor job of identifying and treating the mentally ill these days.
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when did we do better?

why do you say such stupid things?


If you have no idea what you are talking about why open your mouth and tip everyone off to your shortcomings?
 

Sure they do. If the attempted killer had been using machine guns we wouldn't have zero dead. Why wouldn't they care about zero dead vs many dead?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
Sure they do. If the attempted killer had been using machine guns we wouldn't have zero dead. Why wouldn't they care about zero dead vs many dead?
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Zero dead in this attack is an anomoly. Why are you treating it like it's the expected result? It's anecdotal.
 

Baitiest bait that ever baited bait.
 
noonereal said:
when did we do better?

why do you say such stupid things?



If you have no idea what you are talking about why open your mouth and tip everyone off to your shortcomings?
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I see you're still butt sore over my having you made look stupid before so now you follow me around like a toddler who dropped his lollipop. When you have something to contribute other than inane whining, do so. Otherwise shutting your trap might be a good idea.
 

Follow you around? I have no clue who you are... I have never noticed you. You are invisible as a poster to me.

Paranoia is helped with Thorazine. Just an FYI
 
No, it's the lack of presence of guns. is Japan ahead as many guns per capita as we did and there was laws against owning them the person with murderous intent would just acquire one illegally and kill people.

Nice try though.
 

You are making a boneheaded argument. Do you know the percentage of people who have survived gunshot wounds?

Don't worry I went ahead and figured it out. Estimates show that mortality from gunshot wounds or about 27%. So just over a quarter of people who suffered gunshot wounds died from them.

so yes I would take my chances with a tiny little hunk of lead over two and a half tons of steel.

https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2014/january/survival-rates-similar-for-gun

Also keep in mind cars are bigger in the US then they are in Japan.
 
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Did you even read this article before pasting it ? Did you take a cursory glance and thought "Eureka" !


Let me examine it for you.


"A new study...has found no significant difference in adjusted overall survival rates between gunshot and stabbing victims in Philadelphia whether they were transported to the emergency department by the police department or the emergency medical services (EMS) division of the fire department....


...while previous studies suggest that trauma victims have similar mortality rates whether brought to the hospital by emergency medical services or police, the current Penn study is the largest investigation to date examining the relationship between method of transport and mortality in penetrating trauma."


https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2014/january/survival-rates-similar-for-gun



This article doesn't examine the relative survival rates of victims of shooting versus stabbing attacks...it examines the survival rates of those taken to hospital by ambulance rather than police vehicle.


Now let's look at a study on survival rates of shootings:



"Gunshot victims are four times more likely to die before reaching a hospital than they were a decade ago...

...the odds of survival for gunshot victims “worsened in at least 10 of the nation’s largest cities,” and that people who got shot were more likely to die compared to gunshot victims just 10 or 15 years earlier...

... among the 36,297 people declared dead-on-arrival at the hospital, the vast majority — 88 percent — had been shot. The remaining 12 percent died of stab wounds...."



https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/analysis-shooting-victims-gun-violence-intensity-trauma-baltimore/


Boneheaded argument?

Try acquainting yourself with some facts before embarrassing yourself.
 

Do you need to read an article to know what being hit by car is? No I didn't read the article and I don't ever care to if that's a prerequisite for posting this forum just go ahead and ignore me.
 
Rich2018 said:
Now why would he use a car to try and kill people. Surely it would be more effective to open fire with semi or full automatic rifles from a vantage point like Stephen Paddock did ?
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Because a car can kill just as many people as a semi automatic rifle. He didn't need a semi auto rifle to kill or to try to kill people. There was a case in New York of somebody committing arson and in doing so killed 87 people, more people than in any mass shooting in the USA, and all he used was gasoline that you can get at any gas station.
 
Rich2018 said:
I think the victims and their families are mighty glad they're still alive...which would probably not have been the case (for all of them) had they been shot.
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And I think the victims and their families are mighty glad they're still alive during the 2017 baseball shooting Alexandria, Virginia where nobody was killed except the shooter. There was one critical injury, Steve Scalise, but thankfully he made a recovery.
 
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