That's some strong religious dogma right there.There is no afterlife just cowards running away from the reality of death. If you experienced anything, it was just a dream/hallucination..
According to materialism which is the religious belief in and of itself.But accurate.
Funny how there is no actual or valid evidence of any afterlife.According to materialism which is the religious belief in and of itself.
No, just a medical explanation of cause.That's some strong religious dogma right there.
Prove an actual afterlife beyond the proverbial trick of the mind exists then!There is no afterlife in the police system of materialism. If you say you believe in science that's materialism. You think the only things that can exist are material.
what about respecting the wishes of the deceased? Funerals are not about the ones left behind, but for the one who's gone.I think the request is disrespectful to the loved ones left behind...
They'll have all the time they'll need after the partyallow them their time to grieve...
So is a good party.funerals are for saying good bye...closure...
Funny how you use a very materialistic metric for determining whether something exists.Funny how there is no actual or valid evidence of any afterlife.
Within the belief system of materialism. The fundamental flaw of materialism is that it can't explain consciousness.No, just a medical explanation of cause.
So use materialism to prove something to a materialist that materialism negates the possibility of existing?Prove an actual afterlife beyond the proverbial trick of the mind exists then!
Their wishes died with them. So that's like the same what about the frog Spirit on Mars.what about respecting the wishes of the deceased?
Funerals are about the one who died but they are for the ones left behind. According to your belief system they don't exist anymore in a conscious way so why would you have a party for them.Funerals are not about the ones left behind, but for the one who's gone.
The funeral is for the people left behind it's not for a person that doesn't exist anymore that doesn't make sense.They'll have all the time they'll need after the party
So is a good party.
What a marvelous imagination you have!I've had an NDE (near-death experience) myself, and I can attest this article is pretty much spot on
He/she wouldn't know...what about respecting the wishes of the deceased?
Not when your heart is not in it...So is a good party.
You don't have one? Do you think all imagination is just fake?What a marvelous imagination you have!
Funny how you have nothing to establish anything beyond that.Funny how you use a very materialistic metric for determining whether something exists.
Says who?Within the belief system of materialism. The fundamental flaw of materialism is that it can't explain consciousness.
Kind of like an AI. Is an AI material? AI is built around hardware & software. It collects, processes, remembers, and provides information, much like a human mind.You would probably see it as like a computer program and a human mind is a sophisticated machine.
Explain how something "non-marerial" like an "afterlife" exists! Otherwise, it's nothing more than a belief, which is irrational.So use materialism to prove something to a materialist that materialism negates the possibility of existing?
Explain how this is rational
So you don't really care about the deceased. It's all about you or what you want? How selfish.He/she wouldn't know...
I suppose some people just hate fun.Not when your heart is not in it...
See post #61.Their wishes died with them. So that's like the same what about the frog Spirit on Mars.
Funerals are about the one who died but they are for the ones left behind. According to your belief system they don't exist anymore in a conscious way so why would you have a party for them.
The funeral is for the people left behind it's not for a person that doesn't exist anymore that doesn't make sense.
For example if I went hiking and died in the woods and nobody found my corpse until all my loved ones had gone saying 150 years there would be no funeral because nobody knew me. Maybe my corpse would be a curiosity but beyond that nothing.
I'm not locked in the cathedral of materialism you are.Funny how you have nothing to establish anything beyond that.
You. Explain what consciousness is don't define it with a dictionary definition explain what it is.Says who?
Well I think the misgivings people have about AI is that it's not just material. I think the fear people possess about it is mostly whether or not they're creating consciousness. Whether or not it will expand beyond its material.Kind of like an AI. Is an AI material? AI is built around hardware & software. It collects, processes, remembers, and provides information, much like a human mind.
Same way consciousness exists. If I stand on the street and observe a car driving by there's not a little tiny car inside my brain that's driving by it's an actual event that's happening and other people can experience it. I can't prove that it happened it's just a phenomenon that you have to take my word for. But because it's something you experienced you understand what happened. And you do so without questioning it.Explain how something "non-marerial" like an "afterlife" exists! Otherwise, it's nothing more than a belief, which is irrational.
Well of course it's all about the survivors not just you. The deceased is dead they don't need anything from you anymore so taking the time to remember what impact they had on your life maybe a bit selfish but who would be grudge someone for feeling that way.So you don't really care about the deceased. It's all about you or what you want? How selfish.
Do you know what fun is?I suppose some people just hate fun.
You've offered no rational or demonstrable alternative.I'm not locked in the cathedral of materialism you are.
Not use a dictionary to define a word, which is precisely what a dictionary is for? How is that rational?You. Explain what consciousness is don't define it with a dictionary definition explain what it is.
If there's no hardware or software, there cannot be any consciousness.Well I think the misgivings people have about AI is that it's not just material. I think the fear people possess about it is mostly whether or not they're creating consciousness. Whether or not it will expand beyond its material.
Your brain is receiving and processing the sensory input from the environment around you. Thats all it is.Same way consciousness exists. If I stand on the street and observe a car driving by there's not a little tiny car inside my brain that's driving by it's an actual event that's happening and other people can experience it.
Why wouldn't you question it, especially if it was extraordinary? If you take drugs and "experience" things while on a bad trip, did those experiences actually occur or is your mind simply presenting something false that may "feel" real?I can't prove that it happened it's just a phenomenon that you have to take my word for. But because it's something you experienced you understand what happened. And you do so without questioning it.
The survivors arent dead yet.Well of course it's all about the survivors not just you.
As i said, selfish.The deceased is dead they don't need anything from you anymore so taking the time to remember what impact they had on your life maybe a bit selfish but who would be grudge someone for feeling that way.
You don't care enough to honor the deceased last wishes?If you're a spouse died and you just didn't care that would be worse.
Yes, a good party with friends, food, drinks, music, and games. Solemn funerals are not fun.Do you know what fun is?
The death of someone you love is a sad time...deal with it, don't run away from it...doing so could cause mental problems down the road...So you don't really care about the deceased. It's all about you or what you want? How selfish.
I suppose some people just hate fun.
I did say they'll have all the time they'll need after the party. Besides, a fun party where you can talk about the deceased, reflect on the fun they would have had, and other such things is also a way of dealing with it. Fun and laughter can be therapeutic.The death of someone you love is a sad time...deal with it, don't run away from it...doing so could cause mental problems down the road...
I can't help you expand your thinking you have to do that on your own. You have to unlock the door so your cathedral you have to step out and brave the sunshine.You've offered no rational or demonstrable alternative.
I did not ask you to define a word. Isn't how it's used in English. I asked you to explain the concept it describes.Not use a dictionary to define a word,
No the dictionary is not to obtain meaning. It's to tell you how words are used in the English.which is precisely what a dictionary is for? How is that rational?
That is materialism dogma.If there's no hardware or software, there cannot be any consciousness.
So like a sophisticated computer running a program. But at the same time you don't believe that there's a programmer.Your brain is receiving and processing the sensory input from the environment around you. Thats all it is.
I don't know why you don't question it I don't know why you take it for granted. This is one of the limitations of materialism.Why wouldn't you question it, especially if it was extraordinary?
If you sleep and dream are you just mentally insane for that period of time? Or do dreams really happen?If you take drugs and "experience" things while on a bad trip, did those experiences actually occur or is your mind simply presenting something false that may "feel" real?
Living people getting together to celebrate the life of a person who is no longer living is not for the person no longer living that wouldn't make sense.The survivors arent dead yet.
Because you owe the dead something what are they going to do with it they're dead?As i said, selfish.
The dead can have no wishes they're dead.You don't care enough to honor the deceased last wishes?
They're not meant to be. Now you're being selfish you want to take someone's tragedy and use it as an excuse to get a hammered and dance.Yes, a good party with friends, food, drinks, music, and games. Solemn funerals are not fun.
If you say soSurgical attire among hospital staff is largely the same. What are the circumstances and external stimuli a patient experiences before "death?" They could be repeating NDE claims or stories they heard before, possibly subconsciously incorporating what they experienced and/or heard into their own memory or thoughts. There are lots of rational possibilities to explain it
In other words, you have nothing. Just a cop out. Got it.I can't help you expand your thinking you have to do that on your own. You have to unlock the door so your cathedral you have to step out and brave the sunshine.
You want a definition to a word but don't want a definition. Make up your mind.I did not ask you to define a word. Isn't how it's used in English. I asked you to explain the concept it describes.
Yes, words have meaning. That's why we use a dictionary to define them.No the dictionary is not to obtain meaning. It's to tell you how words are used in the English.
And that statement is irrational nonsense.That is materialism dogma.
A computer can learn and think, much like humans do.So like a sophisticated computer running a program. But at the same time you don't believe that there's a programmer.
Question what specifically? I specifically asked why one wouldn't question something..I don't know why you don't question it I don't know why you take it for granted. This is one of the limitations of materialism.
It's not much different than people having similar stimuli and reporting the same "sensations." Give people salt, they'll taste salt. Poke them with a needle, they'll feel sharpness, ect..I think it's extraordinary that people can share an experience suggests that there is more to the world and just what you can touch and see.
Dreams are neurological processes. They might be influenced by one's state of mind.If you sleep and dream are you just mentally insane for that period of time? Or do dreams really happen?
I do. Because facts, reason, and logic.If you say so
Then why have a funeral at all?Living people getting together to celebrate the life of a person who is no longer living is not for the person no longer living that wouldn't make sense.
The best you can do is come up with some bizarre extreme example?Again if I died in the woods and nobody found me until 150 years later you know one would come to my funeral because of why would it happen?
They (a loved one for example) do not deserve a last respect?Because you owe the dead something what are they going to do with it they're dead?
So you cannot honor them and their life?The dead can have no wishes they're dead.
No one is obligated to come to the party. They're free to wallow in their own misery if they wish. My wishes would relieve that burden from them, even if for a little while. What's more unselfish than that?They're not meant to be. Now you're being selfish you want to take someone's tragedy and use it as an excuse to get a hammered and dance.
Nah, its just your opinionI do. Because facts, reason, and logic
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