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Man caught on video attacking pro-life protesters gets slap on wrist by judge

Atreus21 said:
But it was once, and we have it in our power to make it so again. So again, if we made it so blacks were no longer legal persons, how would you oppose it.

Your principle seems to be that we can kill those who arent legal persons. I just want to test that.



Im not going to waste my time doing that if youre going to continually evade telling me your actual position (ie, we can kill anyone who isnt a legal person.)
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Well we go by the Constitution and how it has been interpreted in federal court decisions and laws. I'm not aware of any that recognize rights for the unborn. Do you know of any?

Black people were considered persons (such as free blacks in the north)...then there was a class of black people that historically were considered property. This was, happily, ended.​
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So...black people are persons, the unborn are not. I dont remember anyone else's rights being violated by recognition of black people as equal persons. That's not possible if rights were recognized for the unborn.​

And yes, we can kill anyone who isnt a person except that you cant destroy something that belongs to someone else (without their consent). Including public property.

What authority do you propose we go by?
 
Atreus21 said:
But it was once, and we have it in our power to make it so again. So again, if we made it so blacks were no longer legal persons, how would you oppose it.
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That would require nullifying the 13th Amendment. Good luck getting that to happen.
Atreus21 said:
Your principle seems to be that we can kill those who arent legal persons. I just want to test that.
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My "principle" is there is no person in an abortion and it's no one else's business or concern if one decides to have an abortion.
Atreus21 said:
Im not going to waste my time doing that if youre going to continually evade telling me your actual position (ie, we can kill anyone who isnt a legal person.)
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I've made my position clear. Your attempt to bait me using an absurd hypothetical is transparent, asinine, and a desperate attempt to avoid answering my questions or points.
 
VySky said:
Just why was this man released after such a violent attack.

And the friend who rushed to help his buddy gets knocked out and kicked in the face.

The victims were aged 73 and 84

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"A 28-year-old man who was caught on video attacking two pro-life activists outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Baltimore was sentenced this week to a year of home detention and three years of probation.

Baltimore Circuit Judge Yvette M. Bryant rebuffed prosecutors’ calls for a 10-year sentence against Patrick Brice, 28, after he was found guilty of two counts of second-degree assault and reckless endangerment in relation to the May 2023 incident, according to The Baltimore Banner.

"What about my rights and my well-being?" one of the victims in the attack, Mark Crosby -- who was 73 years old at the time -- reportedly shouted at Bryant on Thursday as she left the bench.

Brice said on May 26, 2023, he intended to debate Richard Schaefer – the other victim, who was 84 – about the concept of sin outside the Planned Parenthood facility, but then lost it after Schaefer made what he perceived to be a racial remark, The Baltimore Banner reported. Surveillance video showed Brice shoving Schaefer into a flowerpot and then assaulting Crosby when he rushed to his aid."

www.yahoo.com

Man caught on video attacking pro-life protesters gets slap on wrist by judge

Patrick Brice, 28, was sentenced to home detention and probation for assaulting elderly pro-life activists outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Baltimore in 2023.
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It looks like aggravated assault to me my guess is the da is pro choice.
 
Gordy327 said:
That would require nullifying the 13th Amendment. Good luck getting that to happen.

My "principle" is there is no person in an abortion and it's no one else's business or concern if one decides to have an abortion.
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Okay, we'll try this another way.

If there was a person in an abortion, would you oppose abortion?
 
Atreus21 said:
Okay, we'll try this another way.

If there was a person in an abortion, would you oppose abortion?
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The only person in an abortion is the pregnant woman having one.
 
Atreus21 said:
It was a yes or no question.
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I answered it. You're going to have to do better than a hypothetical. Make the case for unborn personhood, then i can address it further.
 
Gordy327 said:
I answered it.
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No you didn't. I asked you if there was a person in an abortion, would you oppose abortion? Yes or no?

Gordy327 said:
You're going to have to do better than a hypothetical. Make the case for unborn personhood, then i can address it further.
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I'll move beyond the hypothetical when you give me a straight answer.
 
Atreus21 said:
No you didn't. I asked you if there was a person in an abortion, would you oppose abortion? Yes or no?



I'll move beyond the hypothetical when you give me a straight answer.
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I gave you the answer. The only person is the pregnant woman. Until you make the argument for unborn personhood, you have nothing except for asinine hypotheticals. Otherwise, im not interested in your disingenuous games!
 
Atreus21 said:
Okay, we'll try this another way.

If there was a person in an abortion, would you oppose abortion?
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Person is a legal status. By assigning it that status, you make abortion illegal unless the woman is in immediate danger of dying (as in self-defense).

I object to the unborn being recognized as a person for legal and moral reasons.

Have you considered why the Republican Congress doesnt try to amend the Const or create a new amendment creating that personhood? What would you guess? For purposes of debate?
 
Good thing we have a Biden legacy, FACE ACT right?

You might not go to jail for kicking an elderly man in the face outside Planned Parenthood, but get caught praying outside an abortion clinic and its to the hole for you!

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"If pro-life activist and father Mark Houck can be arrested and have his house raided by the FBI for shoving a pro-abortionist who repeatedly initiated profanity-laced verbal confrontations with Houck and his son, the 28-year-old man who brutally beat two elderly pro-lifers outside of a Planned Parenthood should get some jail time, right? Wrong."

"In the wake of the Supreme Court’s leaked Dobbs v. Jackson decision, more than 90 lifesaving pregnancy centers, pro-life organizations, and churches suffered pro-abortion-fueled firebombings, vandalism, and other attacks."

"Instead of focusing its attention on these criminal acts, however, the Biden administration honed 55 of its 60 Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act (FACE Act) prosecutions on pro-lifers. The years-long campaign to put Americans who prayed, sang, and evangelized at abortion facilities in prison took priority over any accountability for pro-abortion activists. In fact, it spread to states like New York where Attorney General Letitia James targeted Red Rose Rescue sidewalk counselors under both the FACE Act and the New York Clinic Access Act, a state-level “equivalent” to the federal statute."

thefederalist.com

The FACE Act Was Always A Tool For Two-Tiered Justice

Until Congress passes the FACE Act Repeal Act, pro-lifers are still vulnerable to further abuse -- both legal and physical.
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Gordy327 said:
I gave you the answer. The only person is the pregnant woman. Until you make the argument for unborn personhood, you have nothing except for asinine hypotheticals. Otherwise, im not interested in your disingenuous games!
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Okay, so it is your position that we should be able to legally kill non-persons, correct?
 
Gordy327 said:
Post #203.
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Okay, post 203 says:

"My "principle" is there is no person in an abortion and it's no one else's business or concern if one decides to have an abortion."

So we can kill the unborn because it is not legally a person. Is that correct?
 
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Atreus21 said:
Okay, post 203 says:

"My "principle" is there is no person in an abortion and it's no one else's business or concern if one decides to have an abortion."

So we can kill the unborn because it is not legally a person. Is that correct?
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Post #203.
 
Gordy327 said:
Post #203.
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Haha!

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Thats a pretty good representation of the state of pro abortion arguments. You dont really have any good ones, so your best and only tactic is evasion.

Prediction: Post 203 right?
 
Atreus21 said:
Haha!

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Thats a pretty good representation of the state of pro abortion arguments. You dont really have any good ones, so your best and only tactic is evasion.

Prediction: Post 203 right?
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What "pro abortion" argument would that be? I stated facrs which you cannot seem to refute while all you've offered is silly hypotheticals. But then, anti abortionists have no rational or legal arguments at all. Just rhetoric and feelings.
 
ColdHardTruth said:
Irrelevant.

Nobody on this side supports violence.

This is a baseless claim.
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Bullshit. I linked to a poster on your side who supports the violence. Be honest or keep living in denial.
 
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